Ski Trip from hell!

On 11/11/2003 10:20, in article ,
"Ace" wrote:

I can't imagine why you'd want to turn traction control _off_ for
snowy conditions (and the others would be largely irrelevant at low
speeds anyway). The first, and only, time I was in a 4-wheel slide in
the volvo, before I had snow tyres, the only thing that saved me was
the combination of ABS and TCS, when a quick tap on the brakes locked
and released the wheels, suddenly allowing them to drive me out of
trouble. 4wd probably helped too.

Because you and I have an active traction control (i.e. your Volvo XC and my
Audi Quattro), it varies power and traction to the wheels and we have
limited slip differentials and all manner of glamorous high tech :-) The
more basic version applies the brakes and is really an extension to ABS in
some ways. That doesn't always work out as you can loose traction in some
cases, that said I tried a vectra with TCS which was quite impressive. I'm
not a car geek but that's about my understanding.


BTW, your posting style is getting really irritating. Do us a favour
and learn to write proper words, could you? And preferably below the
text to which you're replying, snipping irrelevant stuff and
signatures. Makes it a lot easier to read. Ta.

Seconded :-)

helloblondie wrote:
"full lock" does that mean u need them on the front wheels as well?


Only if you have front wheel drive. If you have rear wheel drive you put
the chains on the rear wheels.

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:40:14 +0100, Ian Spare
wrote:

On 11/11/2003 10:20, in article ,
"Ace" wrote:

I can't imagine why you'd want to turn traction control _off_ for
snowy conditions (and the others would be largely irrelevant at low
speeds anyway). The first, and only, time I was in a 4-wheel slide in
the volvo, before I had snow tyres, the only thing that saved me was
the combination of ABS and TCS, when a quick tap on the brakes locked
and released the wheels, suddenly allowing them to drive me out of
trouble. 4wd probably helped too.

Because you and I have an active traction control (i.e. your Volvo XC and my
Audi Quattro), it varies power and traction to the wheels and we have
limited slip differentials and all manner of glamorous high tech :-) The
more basic version applies the brakes and is really an extension to ABS in
some ways.

Yes, you may have a point. I can see that it's the interaction with
constantly variable power to each of the 4 driven wheels that makes it
work so well, and that a simple brake-applied TCS-only system on a 2wd
car wouldn't work too well, so yes, it might be better turned off.

--
Ace (bruce dot rogers at roche dot com)
Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk
All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club.

"The Older Gentleman" wrote in
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Crosbie Fitch wrote:

I've done the trip at least twice (to Meribel funnily enough). I'm in
Lewes,
so the times are probably comparable.

I don't actually see what the problem is.


I think the problem is that helloblondie might be a troll.
___
Michael MacClancy

OK, who told his missus about this ng :-)
--
Simon Brown, Postfach 159, CH-7031 Laax
www.hb9drv.ch

"helloblondie" wrote in message
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I thank u sir,
Been to 3 vallee many times and love it, yes meribel can be a bit ......
but
as a family we'll give it a wide berth! My wife and children are adorable
really.

"Bill Seddon" wrote in message
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Hi!

Right, here's someone who's done it... with a travel scared girlfriend
and
a
hyper active 5 year old!! LOL!! And I'm doing it all again in january???
I
need my head reading!!

1. Leave the day before you're due to arrive in resort.
2. Get a morning ferry from Dover to Calais... about 10am is fine.
3. Drive PAST Paris!! That place is not for the faint hearted on the
roads!!

Don't go anywhere near Paris, take the autoroute past Troyes, empty
roads
every time I've done it.

Really? I didn't know there was one. I used the autoroutes circling Paris,
but then I was heading to the south west of France from Calais, that time.
On the way down, they shut the motorways around it so I wound up on the hell
that is known as the Peripherique!! Thankfully, at 4 in the morning it was
quiet... didn't save me from getting cut up a few times, though!! LOL!!

Autoroute past Troyes... right! On to EasyMap I go!! LOL! Thanks for that.

Schneck

travelling during the holidays , goodluck :-)

helloblondie wrote:
Thx 4 that cheery stat nigel! I'm not german and i am travelling during the
Holidays. And to be honest a 10-12 hour drive is a walk in the park for me
and indeed my car. The children may protest a little tho'


"Nigel (Remove NOSPAM)" wrote in message
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Just a point on Long Drives.

Austrian locals do not widely report deaths in there resorts (not good
for business) but it is quite a well known statistic amongst them, that
the majority of coronaries there resort medics have to deal with are
Germans who have jumped in there cars after work on Friday & driven
6-10hrs & then gone out skiing straight away .

Nigel

The Older Gentleman wrote:

Crosbie Fitch wrote:



I've done the trip at least twice (to Meribel funnily enough). I'm in

Lewes,

so the times are probably comparable.


I don't actually see what the problem is.

It's not a humungous drive. Can be nasty if the weather socks in, but
I've done London-Cap Ferrat in a day.

So cutting michael. Chill out a little.



"Michael MacClancy" wrote in message
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"The Older Gentleman" wrote in
message
news:1g4900d.1ieuts4xgquf1N%chateauSPAMKILL.murray @dsl.pipex.com...
Crosbie Fitch wrote:

I've done the trip at least twice (to Meribel funnily enough). I'm in
Lewes,
so the times are probably comparable.

I don't actually see what the problem is.


I think the problem is that helloblondie might be a troll.
___
Michael MacClancy

Bill's right u stay away from paris at all cost. Take the A26 from calais
all the way to troyes via reims then A5 to dijon etc. Used this route
recently much more relaxing than A1 to paris and out on A6.


"Schneck" wrote in message
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"Bill Seddon" wrote in message
...

Hi!

Right, here's someone who's done it... with a travel scared girlfriend
and
a
hyper active 5 year old!! LOL!! And I'm doing it all again in
january???
I
need my head reading!!

1. Leave the day before you're due to arrive in resort.
2. Get a morning ferry from Dover to Calais... about 10am is fine.
3. Drive PAST Paris!! That place is not for the faint hearted on the
roads!!

Don't go anywhere near Paris, take the autoroute past Troyes, empty
roads
every time I've done it.

Really? I didn't know there was one. I used the autoroutes circling Paris,
but then I was heading to the south west of France from Calais, that time.
On the way down, they shut the motorways around it so I wound up on the
hell
that is known as the Peripherique!! Thankfully, at 4 in the morning it was
quiet... didn't save me from getting cut up a few times, though!! LOL!!

Autoroute past Troyes... right! On to EasyMap I go!! LOL! Thanks for that.

Schneck

Now nigel why d'ya have to say that. Whats wrong with driving over the hols
m8. lol


"Nigel (Remove NOSPAM)" wrote in message
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travelling during the holidays , goodluck :-)

helloblondie wrote:
Thx 4 that cheery stat nigel! I'm not german and i am travelling during
the
Holidays. And to be honest a 10-12 hour drive is a walk in the park for
me
and indeed my car. The children may protest a little tho'


"Nigel (Remove NOSPAM)" wrote in message
...

Just a point on Long Drives.

Austrian locals do not widely report deaths in there resorts (not good
for business) but it is quite a well known statistic amongst them, that
the majority of coronaries there resort medics have to deal with are
Germans who have jumped in there cars after work on Friday & driven
6-10hrs & then gone out skiing straight away .

Nigel

The Older Gentleman wrote:

Crosbie Fitch wrote:



I've done the trip at least twice (to Meribel funnily enough). I'm in

Lewes,

so the times are probably comparable.


I don't actually see what the problem is.

It's not a humungous drive. Can be nasty if the weather socks in, but
I've done London-Cap Ferrat in a day.