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Old February 25th 04, 01:07 AM
Alex Heney
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On 24 Feb 2004 01:17:21 GMT, Tommy Petersson wrote:

Alex Heney wrote in
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On 22 Feb 2004 08:46:15 GMT, Tommy Petersson wrote:



The new start of the downhill in S:t Moritz *has* to be very steep,
though. The camera can't lie *that* much? ;-)



I don't know.


Watching the skiing on 4 coverage of St Anton, the camera angles as
they were going into the Icefalle made that look almost vertical - 80
degrees plus. Which I'm sure it isn't.


Where's Icefalle?


About 2/3 of the way down the men's downhill at St Anton. I'm guessing
at the spelling.


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Old February 25th 04, 09:56 PM
Tommy Petersson
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Alex Heney wrote in
:

On 24 Feb 2004 01:17:21 GMT, Tommy Petersson wrote:


Alex Heney wrote in
m:


On 22 Feb 2004 08:46:15 GMT, Tommy Petersson wrote:



The new start of the downhill in S:t Moritz *has* to be very steep,
though. The camera can't lie *that* much? ;-)



I don't know.


Watching the skiing on 4 coverage of St Anton, the camera angles as
they were going into the Icefalle made that look almost vertical - 80
degrees plus. Which I'm sure it isn't.


Where's Icefalle?


About 2/3 of the way down the men's downhill at St Anton. I'm guessing
at the spelling.


I guess the spelling would be Eisfalle.

/Tommy P.



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Old March 11th 04, 08:45 PM
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Ace wrote:
wrote:


I suppose if I was conducting some friends around a resort and wished
to make certain of not taking a wrong turning, then a GPS system might
be useful.


It's what we do, and I can't even beging to imagine the ridicule that
would be (rightly) directed at us if a Ski Club rep felt the need for
a GPS to get round on-piste.


Agreed. But most useful in my case for the sort of trip when one
-thinks- one knows where one is going. I do not become lost if I (a)
totally unfamiliar or (c) Can navigate through the area with my eyes
closed.


I have a seldom-used GPS which was bought mainly for sailing[1] and
cycling. For the latter it's very useful as a constantly moving,
adjustable-scale map, removing the need to change and refold paper
ones, as well as being easier to mount.


Best to buy a car then you can leave the map on the passenger seat.
More comfortable in the rain, etc. Recommended.


[1] Even then, I felt it was cheating, as I was taught how to navigate
properly 25+ years ago.


The number of people who think GPS -is- navigation rather than just a
way of checking you are correct make for some great Darwin-award type
stories, however.

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Old March 12th 04, 08:18 AM
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funkraum wrote in
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Agreed. But most useful in my case for the sort of trip when one
-thinks- one knows where one is going. I do not become lost if I (a)
totally unfamiliar or (c) Can navigate through the area with my eyes
closed.


You still need a map. And translating from a ski station plan to a map is
generally non-trivial, to put it mildly.

The number of people who think GPS -is- navigation rather than just a
way of checking you are correct make for some great Darwin-award type
stories, however.


I'll have to consider myself a Darwin award candidate then. I usually carry
a GPS in the mountains, and consider that there are some things you can do
with a GPS that you can't do with a map and compass, or at least not at all
easily. A good example is navigating across a crevassed glacier in fog.
Even if you know your starting position you have to follow such a
convoluted path that dead reckoning (pace counting etc.) is useless. In
fact a GPS is a very useful tool in any conditions with reduced visibility.

It's also pretty cool to be able to calibrate your speedometer, check how
fast you ski, etc. I recorded 85kph on the schuss to get back to the
Aeroski lift at Tignes, and I'm not a fast skier.

I also used my GPS on a recent trip to S. Africa to identify mountains and
settlements in the Sahara as I flew over, which was extremely cool. But I
digress....

Jeremy

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Old March 12th 04, 01:04 PM
Walter Wright
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"Jeremy Mortimer" wrote in message
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It's also pretty cool to be able to calibrate your speedometer, check how
fast you ski, etc. I recorded 85kph on the schuss to get back to the
Aeroski lift at Tignes, and I'm not a fast skier.


Agreed. When our ski guide learnt I was carrying a GPS in 3V last January,
he asked to borrow it for one run and managed to notch up 97.6kph. It was
the tail-end of Jerusalem IIRC. Although fairly pleased with his
performance, he was a bit gutted not to achieve the magic 100kph.

Walter


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Old March 13th 04, 07:47 PM
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Agreed. When our ski guide learnt I was carrying a GPS in 3V last January,
he asked to borrow it for one run and managed to notch up 97.6kph. It was


That was going some - I managed to hit 70kph and that was quite fast enough
for me!

Rob.


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Old April 13th 04, 12:54 PM
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Jeremy Mortimer wrote:
funkraum wrote in


Agreed. But most useful in my case for the sort of trip when one
-thinks- one knows where one is going. I do not become lost if I (a)
totally unfamiliar or (c) Can navigate through the area with my eyes
closed.


You still need a map. And translating from a ski station plan to a map is
generally non-trivial, to put it mildly.


Agreed. Was speaking in general terms concerning GPS and GPS + moving
map type apparatus.


The number of people who think GPS -is- navigation rather than just a
way of checking you are correct make for some great Darwin-award type
stories, however.


I'll have to consider myself a Darwin award candidate then. I usually carry
a GPS in the mountains, and consider that there are some things you can do
with a GPS that you can't do with a map and compass, or at least not at all
easily. A good example is navigating across a crevassed glacier in fog.
Even if you know your starting position you have to follow such a
convoluted path that dead reckoning (pace counting etc.) is useless. In
fact a GPS is a very useful tool in any conditions with reduced visibility.


What is wrong with standing there, shrugging shoulder with palms
facing upwards mouthing "Where the hell are we ?"

It's also pretty cool to be able to calibrate your speedometer, check how
fast you ski, etc. I recorded 85kph on the schuss to get back to the
Aeroski lift at Tignes, and I'm not a fast skier.

I also used my GPS on a recent trip to S. Africa to identify mountains and
settlements in the Sahara as I flew over, which was extremely cool. But I
digress....


Looks like I will have to purchase. I just wish I had had one ten
years ago ... twenty years ago ... then returning to obscure places
already visited or recording historical information would have been
the work of a moment. Instead of "keep going past the third fork in
the track and then after the seventh tree follow the contour till you
reach a ..." it could have been just plain Lat/Long.

I hope they make them in discrete vest-pocket and chain time-piece
look-alikes so that a Gentleman may discreetly check his location,
while distracting his audience with a mumble on the horrors of
modernity.

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Old April 13th 04, 03:10 PM
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In message , funkraum
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Agreed. Was speaking in general terms concerning GPS and GPS + moving
map type apparatus.


Not in response to you (sorry) but sometime back in this thread someone
mentioned a website with maps of ski resorts for GPSs. Does it exist
yet? Is there data for Espace Killy? If not I'll have a go at the end of
the season. Who might be interested in a GPS piste (well mostly off) map
of Val?
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Old April 14th 04, 07:04 AM
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"pete devlin" wrote in message
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Not in response to you (sorry) but sometime back in this thread someone
mentioned a website with maps of ski resorts for GPSs. Does it exist
yet?

I posted here earlier, but I don't recall mention of any website. At some
point I may make some of my ski maps available like that.I haven't seen
anyone else announce anything.

Is there data for Espace Killy?

I don't have any data for there. I *do* have reasonable piste maps for
Cour1650/1850, La Rosiere/La Thuile and less detailed maps of Meribel/Les
Menuires/Val Thorens.

If not I'll have a go at the end of the season. Who might be interested

in a GPS piste (well mostly off) map
of Val?


It might be useful, even if only for the lifts. I'm trying to keep my maps
fairly simple - just lifts, pistes and important waypoints like First Aid
and restaurants :~) If you intend to spend a lot of time off piste, I'd
probably filter that out rather than trying to work out what's on vs. off
the pistes.

Enjoy your skiing, regardless


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Walter

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