kyoto update

Have you heard that Japan, Italy and Spain face $33 billion in fines
for NOT meeting their kyoto goals to reduce CO2? Do you suppose that
their populations will support the tax increase to pay those fines?
What is the UN going to do with that money? Give it to poor countries?
Income redistribution? Sounds more like socialism to me.

How many countries are going to live up to their kyoto requirements
anyway?

How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.

On Nov 30, 11:46 am, pigo wrote:
Have you heard that Japan, Italy and Spain face $33 billion in fines
for NOT meeting their kyoto goals to reduce CO2? Do you suppose that
their populations will support the tax increase to pay those fines?
What is the UN going to do with that money? Give it to poor countries?
Income redistribution? Sounds more like socialism to me.

How many countries are going to live up to their kyoto requirements
anyway?

How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.

If the fines are enforced at the levels in the protocol (40 euro/
tonne, I think) that will help boost the carbon credit market
(currently about 22 euro/tonne) since the governments will be able to
buy their way out with carbon credits.

Richard Henry wrote:
On Nov 30, 11:46 am, pigo wrote:
Have you heard that Japan, Italy and Spain face $33 billion in fines
for NOT meeting their kyoto goals to reduce CO2? Do you suppose that
their populations will support the tax increase to pay those fines?
What is the UN going to do with that money? Give it to poor countries?
Income redistribution? Sounds more like socialism to me.

How many countries are going to live up to their kyoto requirements
anyway?

How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.

If the fines are enforced at the levels in the protocol (40 euro/
tonne, I think) that will help boost the carbon credit market
(currently about 22 euro/tonne) since the governments will be able to
buy their way out with carbon credits.


And each country's debt is less that we spend in Iraq looking for
Weapons of Dubious Existence *each month.*

-klaus

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Richard Henry
wrote this crap:

If the fines are enforced at the levels in the protocol (40 euro/
tonne, I think) that will help boost the carbon credit market
(currently about 22 euro/tonne) since the governments will be able to
buy their way out with carbon credits.

And who's going to pay for that? If you say, "taxpayers," you win a
kookie.




My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."

On Nov 30, 3:22 pm, Harry wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:27:06 -0800 (PST), Richard Henry
wrote this crap:

If the fines are enforced at the levels in the protocol (40 euro/
tonne, I think) that will help boost the carbon credit market
(currently about 22 euro/tonne) since the governments will be able to
buy their way out with carbon credits.

And who's going to pay for that? If you say, "taxpayers," you win a
kookie.

In most cases, probably so, but if the governments can find industries
that are not meeting their emission reduction targets, then we can say
"customers".

"pigo" wrote in message
...
Have you heard that Japan, Italy and Spain face $33 billion in fines
for NOT meeting their kyoto goals to reduce CO2? Do you suppose that
their populations will support the tax increase to pay those fines?
What is the UN going to do with that money? Give it to poor countries?
Income redistribution? Sounds more like socialism to me.

How many countries are going to live up to their kyoto requirements
anyway?

How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.



And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the beginning. It
only goes up from here.

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:52:42 -0800 (PST), Richard Henry
wrote this crap:

(currently about 22 euro/tonne) since the governments will be able to
buy their way out with carbon credits.

And who's going to pay for that? If you say, "taxpayers," you win a
kookie.

In most cases, probably so, but if the governments can find industries
that are not meeting their emission reduction targets, then we can say
"customers".

You got to be kidding. Those industries are owned by taxpayers. It
all comes down to taking money away from us.




My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:29:53 GMT, "Norm" wrote
this crap:



How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.


And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the beginning. It
only goes up from here.


Those things happen anyway. Where's the proof that it's caused by
global warming?





My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."

"Harry Weiner" wrote in message



How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.


And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the beginning.
It
only goes up from here.


Those things happen anyway. Where's the proof that it's caused by
global warming?

Thats the trouble. You're waiting for a smoking gun. When you see it it will
be years too late.
Isn't it enough that all the models scientists created 20-30 years ago are
happening now? Only difference - its happening faster than anybody thought
it would.

Norm wrote:
"Harry Weiner" wrote in message


How much would the U.S. fine be for not living up to the standards had
we been foolish enough to join? And would you supporters of the treaty
be willing to pay the bill? No. I thought not.


And how much is the cost of doing nothing?
Hint - Katrina, Ice storms and California burning are just the beginning.
It
only goes up from here.


Those things happen anyway. Where's the proof that it's caused by
global warming?


Thats the trouble. You're waiting for a smoking gun. When you see it it will
be years too late.
Isn't it enough that all the models scientists created 20-30 years ago are
happening now? Only difference - its happening faster than anybody thought
it would.


That just tells me that the models are wrong, not that they're right.

Just as the imminent ice-age theory about 30 years ago was wrong...