Bought my first board, a little help please

I've been skiing for about 15 years and first tried snowboarding back in
1999. I loved it for the week of vacation in 99 so again in 2000 I boarded
the entire week at Tahoe. Its been since 2000 but I'm going again in a few
weeks and just bought my own board. I just have a question about the
stance/bindings. Mine is setup with my front foot pointed slightly toward
the front of the board. The binding indicates about 4 degrees forward. My
rear binding is set exactly perpendicular to the board. When I used rented
boards I never really noticed the exact binding placement. What would the
typical setup be as far as what direction the binding point from
perpendicular to the board. I had assumed both would be a couple of degrees
out from 0 like a natural stance.
If it matters, I have strap bindings.

Any advice where to start would be appreciated, thanks.


John

Well I just stumbled onto a nice link that has some great information
regarding my question. I would still appreciate any helpful comments if
anyone feels so inclined.

http://www.cs.uu.nl/~daan/snow/stance.html

John



"John" wrote in message
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I've been skiing for about 15 years and first tried snowboarding back in
1999. I loved it for the week of vacation in 99 so again in 2000 I
boarded
the entire week at Tahoe. Its been since 2000 but I'm going again in a
few
weeks and just bought my own board. I just have a question about the
stance/bindings. Mine is setup with my front foot pointed slightly toward
the front of the board. The binding indicates about 4 degrees forward.
My
rear binding is set exactly perpendicular to the board. When I used
rented
boards I never really noticed the exact binding placement. What would the
typical setup be as far as what direction the binding point from
perpendicular to the board. I had assumed both would be a couple of
degrees
out from 0 like a natural stance.
If it matters, I have strap bindings.

Any advice where to start would be appreciated, thanks.


John

"John" wrote:

What would the typical setup be as far as
what direction the binding point from perpendicular to the board. I
had assumed both would be a couple of degrees out from 0 like a
natural stance.
If it matters, I have strap bindings.

Any advice where to start would be appreciated, thanks.


John


Well, i would recommend you 30° in front and 15° in back.
With that it is easy to learn, and we always set bindings like that in
courses.

HanSolo

30/15 for Beginners - Agreed

"Han Solo (D)" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"John" wrote:

What would the typical setup be as far as
what direction the binding point from perpendicular to the board. I
had assumed both would be a couple of degrees out from 0 like a
natural stance.
If it matters, I have strap bindings.

Any advice where to start would be appreciated, thanks.


John


Well, i would recommend you 30° in front and 15° in back.
With that it is easy to learn, and we always set bindings like that in
courses.

HanSolo

This is a little extreme
Well, i would recommend you 30° in front and 15° in back.
With that it is easy to learn, and we always set bindings like that in
courses.


I would go with 15 in the front and 0 in the back. The above is more
of a hardboot set up. checkout http://www.hammersnowboards.com
then go to Tips then click on Binding Mounting - read all of them!
Watch the videos to!

i've definitely noticed a difference between the euro-centric stance
suggestions and the american more freestyle stance thinking. thats not a
cut, just an observation. 30/15 is a good setup for speed and cruising,
but i think its too aggressive for learning, when you're going to be doing
the falling leaf, which by its very definition means you're going to be
riding switch half the time.. riding switch (fakie) on a 30/15 setup is
difficult. period.

here in utah, all the shops use a 15/0 setup as the defacto stance, and
thats how i've always setup my friends when they're learning. now that
doesn't mean that they don't adjust that over time, but as a rule i think
15/0 to start is good.

Snowboardripper wrote:

This is a little extreme
Well, i would recommend you 30° in front and 15° in back.
With that it is easy to learn, and we always set bindings like that in
courses.

I would go with 15 in the front and 0 in the back. The above is more
of a hardboot set up. checkout http://www.hammersnowboards.com
then go to Tips then click on Binding Mounting - read all of them!
Watch the videos to!

riding switch
(fakie) on a 30/15 setup is difficult. period.

you can ride switch with a race board and 65/55, that's not much more
difficult than 15/0.
it's just a matter of the right technic.

and 30/15 is definitly NOT aggressive...and it's well enough to do all of
the tricks :-)

Martin

riding switch
(fakie) on a 30/15 setup is difficult. period.

you can ride switch with a race board and 65/55, that's not much more
difficult than 15/0.
it's just a matter of the right technic.

and 30/15 is definitly NOT aggressive...and it's well enough to do all of
the tricks :-)

hmmm, okay. but i politely disagree with you.

i've ridden @ 25/10 or thereabouts for 3 years, and i'm pretty fast.
especially on a short flexy freestyle oriented board (burton motion 156).
i'm 5'10" 175pds. and everybody tells me that i'm too big for the 156, yada
yada, but i ride it way more than my longboard.
anyhow... my concentration for the last several years has been speed and
steeps, both of which i now consider myself pretty capable at. this year i
wanted to expand on my freestyle skills, ie jumping, rotations, grabs, etc.
and so i have, but riding switch into jumps, and especially landing switch
with both my feet that far forward was hindering me. i was having to scrub
speed after the jump too soon, and it made a difference with combo-ing
butters and presses into jumps or 180's or what-have-you.

so i changed my stance. i'm now at 18/3 or thereabouts and its noticably
helped especially when riding switch out of a jump. i don't have to make the
immediate speed correction i used to, i can land, make some directionaly
changes and then ollie back into regular. butters are waaaaaay easier, and i
can pop from nose to tail a lot cleaner. i just feel more centered over the
board and generally more symetrical. that make sense?

my longboard, however, has stayed at 25/10 tho. might even turn it up a
notch once it snows again here in utah
take care, and good turns people...
paul

I would go with 15 in the front and 0 in the back. The above is more
of a hardboot set up. checkout http://www.hammersnowboards.com
then go to Tips then click on Binding Mounting - read all of them!
Watch the videos to!

30/15 is to little for most hard boot riders. I've seen a lot of
Euro's reccomend 30/15 as starting angles. No clue where that comes
from, maybe it's reccomended by the swiss snowboard teaching
institution. I like riding at 30/18, but I also never ride switch.
Until someone knows what sort of riding they're going to do, I think
starting with the back foot around 0-10 and front 15-20 makes more
sense.

(Snowboardripper) wrote in message . com...
This is a little extreme
Well, i would recommend you 30° in front and 15° in back.
With that it is easy to learn, and we always set bindings like that in
courses.


I would go with 15 in the front and 0 in the back. The above is more
of a hardboot set up.

I would agree that 15/0 is a more standard setup. For the last 5 years
I'm ridden something in that range (15/0, 15/-3, 18/0, 18/3, etc) I've
ridden 30/15 as well and its more of a carving setup whereas lower
angle let you skid more.

Hardbooters obviously like to carve and hence the higher angles
(although I'm told that they only go past 55/50 to avoid overhang, not
because it performs better).

Anyways, I have started trying out hardboots and so I ride 50/45 in
hardboots. Before that I tried to work my softboot angles up to get
used to the feeling. I rode 36/30 on my regular board and that felt
comfortable for carving... but I pulled it back down to 21/15 for
park/pipe riding. If you noticed, my angle "difference" has changed
from 15 to 6 degrees... I noticed as you run towards higher angles you
stance can't be as open and hence you need tigher angles.

I recently polled my friends and there are two groups of people, many
still rider like 15/0 angles, but a couple have switch to like 12/6
and 15/9 angles as well. I suggest you try both and see if you can
tell the difference yourself. Personally I found the 15/0 is decent at
carving, but really good for side-slipping down the slope (something
that all beginner will be doing). Maybe when you get a little better
(5-6 days) you should play with you angles and try like 15/9 instead.
This will probably make it easier to get nice carved turns, but will
make it harder to open your hips and make a straight open side-slip
down the mountain.

--Arvin