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Norwegian club Nationals on NRK
I just finished watching 3+ hours of live coverage of the womens and mens
club relays: 3x5 and 3x10. via NRK's video stream. It would've been better if had some you east coaster's 3000kbs bandwidth that I hear you are getting. but it was still okay out here in Calif. After seeing the atmosphere and enthusiasm of the crowd, race organization, and flow of NRK's camera work, I am once again painfully reminded of how far behind XC is in the U.S. What a pathetic joke our coverage is. Listening to the high fidelity stereo audio, you can close your eyes and almost imagine you're there at the side of the course hearing coaches shouting in the right ear and little kids ringing their reindeer bells in the left. Every crunch and sqeak of the ski strides comes thru crystal clear. Unlike most of other races on Jannes site from other countries, tons of people, kids and adults are skiing all over the course while the race is going on to get from one view point to another. A couple of times I started yell out loud at the monitor for the spectator skier to get out of the way. No collisions though so nobody seemed to get upset, must be part of the territory. There was this collision at the start of the women scramble where this old guy starting official who's suppose to make sure nobody jumps the gun, didn't leap between the start lanes quickly enough and got bowled over by this girl who tried to sprint thru him. She went down on her hands and knees, and got stuck way in the back of the pack. It sucked for her club. Hilde Peterson's club team doesn't have really fast girls but her anchor leg was really impressive just like the rest of her races over the past couple of days at the Championships. For a lot of these teen girls racing against Hilde is like trying to beat your mom. She Rules! I couldn't believe it when I saw another golden oldie skiing one of the mens legs-- Vegaard Ulvang! Frode Andreason threw down some serious biathalon cred by almost catching up to Hetland and Hofstadt while they played bike racing tactics on their way to the stadium on the skate leg finish. The sprint was sooo... close, I thought Tor Arne had it until Hofstad thrust his toe just ahead.. Check out the slo mo video replay. I don't know if Janne will make a copy, but I will try to rip the asf. stream for myself. |
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Norwegian club Nationals on NRK
shreddir wrote:
club. Hilde Peterson's club team doesn't have really fast girls but her anchor leg was really impressive just like the rest of her races over the past couple of days at the Championships. For a lot of these teen girls racing against Hilde is like trying to beat your mom. She Rules! Actually, is is _exactly_ like trying to beat your mom: Hilde GP's team consisted of Hilde and her two daughters! I couldn't believe it when I saw another golden oldie skiing one of the mens legs-- Vegaard Ulvang! Frode Andreason threw down some serious biathalon Vegard lost 55 s on the second leg, after Kirkenes had dropped 65 s on the first. cred by almost catching up to Hetland and Hofstadt while they played bike racing tactics on their way to the stadium on the skate leg finish. The sprint was sooo... close, I thought Tor Arne had it until Hofstad thrust his toe just ahead.. Check out the slo mo video replay. I'll have to do that, since the absolutely phenomenal weather here in Oslo meant that I couldn't stay inside watching the coverage. I had to ski instead. :-) Anyway, since this was the national championship, NRK radio 1 had full coverage as well, so I did get to follow the relay that way instead. :-) Terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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Norwegian club Nationals on NRK
Terje Mathisen wrote in message ...
Actually, is is _exactly_ like trying to beat your mom: Hilde GP's team consisted of Hilde and her two daughters! Absolutely amazing - and probably quite unique! (We´ve had a couple of all-sister relay teams, and there must be a few father-and-son pairings somewhere.) Mother Hilde G(jermundshaug) is 39 and the twin daughers Eli G. and Ida G. are 15. Apparently Norges Skiforbund had to wave the rule that only one 15-year-old may be included in a team. The historic team can be seen at: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=212672 (BTW must´ve been a good -15C or more?:-)) Anders |
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Terje Mathisen wrote in message ...
I'll have to do that, since the absolutely phenomenal weather here in Oslo meant that I couldn't stay inside watching the coverage. I had to ski instead. :-) Bardufoss is IIRC quite a bit up north, so you escaped the cold air mass there, I suppose? And the "snowfall of the decade" that was dumped on us - I don´t think I´ll have to complain about a lack of snow this winter anymo-) - and on the Swedes on Sat-Sun, too. Anyway, since this was the national championship, NRK radio 1 had full coverage as well, so I did get to follow the relay that way instead. :-) In principle, I rank radio/CD/MP3-headphone-equipped hearing-challenged skiers almost as lose as the ones who answer their mobile phones but fail to step off the track:-) Anyway, I had to resort to some light running on both days and to merely watching XC, so here a few observations on the Finnish nationals: Virpi Kuitunen won gold both in 10K C (with a WC-quality performance and a gap of over a minute) and 15K F mass- start, and Pirjo Manninen won the sprint and silver in the mass-start; both stood over the skiathlon due to a bit of a cold, but Manninen recovered in time to help her club to the relay bronze. On the male side. we saw two old farts, Sami Repo and Jari Isometsä on top of the 30K F mass-start. Sami also got a silver in 15K C and Jari in the skiathlon, but we got some new champions, too: Olli Ohtonen amd Sami Jauhojärvi, respectively. The results of the relays reflected a new development: that of "big purse" clubs who buy themselves a competitive relay team. The gold-winning team, Joutsan Pommi, was an all-mercenary team (including Myllylä and Repo) and the bronze-winners had only one native skier. Even the silver team, Vuokatti Ski Team Kainuu, is a modern "megnet" club, which has drawn skiers from the tradional clubs of the region. (For followewrs of orienterring, there is nothing new in this, and loyalty to one´s club wasn´t always so absolute in the "good old days", either.) In the skiathlon, Sami Jauhojärvi took advantage of a potential loophole in the regulations in a manner which I found to be "not cricket" but which didn´t result in a protest and therefore probably needs for a clear official interpretation by the relevant committee: Sami changed his poles *before the pit stop*, he got his skating poles on top of a hill a few hundred meters before it, so his transition to the skating leg went smoother and quicker! IMHO this is a blatant breach of the regulation which reads "all equipment exchange must be done by the athlete within the assigned pit without assistance" - *not* outside of it *nor* assisted by a serviceman who hands over the new poles! The only loophole I see is that one doesn´t *have* to change poles (or boots) during the pitstop (whereas the skis *must* be). Anders |
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Anders Lustig wrote:
In principle, I rank radio/CD/MP3-headphone-equipped hearing-challenged skiers almost as lose as the ones who answer their mobile phones but fail to step off the track:-) Count me in to this group then, i have used my mp3 all the seasoon now on my LSD sessions, it's relaxing to think about other things to the rhytm of good music and the time/km flies by. Hitting near 700k now. The results of the relays reflected a new development: that of "big purse" clubs who buy themselves a competitive relay team. The gold-winning team, Joutsan Pommi, was an all-mercenary team (including Myllylä and Repo) and the bronze-winners had only one native skier. Even the silver team, Vuokatti Ski Team Kainuu, is a modern "megnet" club, which has drawn skiers from the tradional clubs of the region. Anders i read that it was 61 teams in the relay, this makes it 204 starters?! Is this true? -- Forward in all directions Janne G |
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Anders Lustig wrote:
Terje Mathisen wrote in message ... I'll have to do that, since the absolutely phenomenal weather here in Oslo meant that I couldn't stay inside watching the coverage. I had to ski instead. :-) Bardufoss is IIRC quite a bit up north, so you escaped the cold air mass there, I suppose? And the "snowfall Yep, Bardufoss is "way north", close to Tromsø, and far north of the artic circle. of the decade" that was dumped on us - I don´t think I´ll have to complain about a lack of snow this winter anymo-) - and on the Swedes on Sat-Sun, too. Anyway, since this was the national championship, NRK radio 1 had full coverage as well, so I did get to follow the relay that way instead. :-) In principle, I rank radio/CD/MP3-headphone-equipped hearing-challenged skiers almost as lose as the ones who answer their mobile phones but fail to step off the track:-) Oh, I agree! The radio coverage was when I was still in the car, and since I had to spend about 5 minutes finding a _very_ tight parking space, I got to listen to the finish as well before starting my ski trip. Sami changed his poles *before the pit stop*, he got his skating poles on top of a hill a few hundred meters before it, so his transition to the skating leg went smoother and quicker! Ouch. IMHO this is a blatant breach of the regulation which reads "all equipment exchange must be done by the athlete within the assigned pit without assistance" - *not* outside of it *nor* assisted by a serviceman who hands over the new poles! Sounds like a clear DQ reason to me, but the finnish national language version of the rules might have more of a loophole in them? Terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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Anders Lustig wrote:
Terje Mathisen wrote in message ... Actually, is is _exactly_ like trying to beat your mom: Hilde GP's team consisted of Hilde and her two daughters! Absolutely amazing - and probably quite unique! (We´ve had a couple of all-sister relay teams, and there must be a few father-and-son pairings somewhere.) Mother Hilde G(jermundshaug) is 39 and the twin daughers Eli G. and Ida G. are 15. Apparently Norges Skiforbund had to wave the rule that only one 15-year-old may be included in a team. Eli finished in 12th place after the first (classic) leg, about 1:52 behind Ella Gjømle. Hilde was barely beaten (by 0.3 seconds) for the best time on the second (also classic) leg, she brought her family team up to 8th place. Ida had a very good race on the final leg, passing two more teams and finishing in 6th! She was beaten by 1:10 by Kristin Størmer Steira who had the fastest time on the last leg. The historic team can be seen at: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=212672 Next year they'll be back, if mom can keep going the two twins could well cut half a minute each off their total time. BTW, Overhalla in 9th place seemed to consist of three sisters: Elise, Ingrid and Gjertrud (Aunet Tyldum), I think it's a safe bet that they are related to (daughters of?) Pål Tyldum. :-) (BTW must´ve been a good -15C or more?:-)) Yes, it was very cold all week, but then the area is famous for its cold winters. Terje -- - "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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Norwegian club Nationals on NRK
Janne G informed
rec.skiing.nordic with the following: Anders Lustig wrote: The results of the relays reflected a new development: that of "big purse" clubs who buy themselves a competitive relay team. The gold-winning team, Joutsan Pommi, was an all-mercenary team (including Myllylä and Repo) and the bronze-winners had only one native skier. Even the silver team, Vuokatti Ski Team Kainuu, is a modern "megnet" club, which has drawn skiers from the tradional clubs of the region. Anders I'm not Anders, but allow me to answer... i read that it was 61 teams in the relay, this makes it 204 starters?! Um, where did you get that 204 figure? 4 × 61 = 244. Is this true? I guess that number might be indeed the number of starting (or at least registered to start) teams, but the results on the official web pages¹ seem to list final times for only 56 teams, making it still quite respectable number of 224 individual skiers. For comparison, only 57 finished men's skiathlon next day - there was dozen or so DNFs and few less DNSs. And in women's competions 26 (out of 27) teams took part in the 3 × 5 km relay and 34 finished the skiathlon (ten or so DNS, 4 DNF). ¹ URL:http://www.lapuanvirkia.fi/sm-hiihdot/ (unfortunately only in Finnish, in case somebody wants to check the result lists, these are behind "Tulokset" link.) -- Heikki "Hezu" Kantola, Lähettämällä mainoksia tai muuta asiatonta sähköpostia yllä olevaan osoitteeseen sitoudut maksamaan oikolukupalvelusta EUR100 alkavalta tunnilta. |
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Heikki Kantola wrote in message . ..
I'm not Anders, but allow me to answer... I´m pretty sure you aren´t *the* Heikki Kantola, either:-) i read that it was 61 teams in the relay, this makes it 204 starters?! Um, where did you get that 204 figure? 4 × 61 = 244. I think Janne´s arithmetic was: 3 x 61 = 204:-) In Sweden (and in Norway) the teams consist of three skiers in the men´s relay race as well as the women´s. Since I´m pretty sure this is isn´t so because of a narrower (than in Finland) base of active skiers, I´d assume it´s partly tradition, partly intended to enable more clubs to bring a more homogenic and competitive team to the start. (I´m not entirely subjective, but I think the four-man-team principle at least used to be great precisely because it required plenty of collective effort to field a good team - and the "weakest link" was as important as the one big-name skier in the team.) Anders |
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Norwegian club Nationals on NRK
Janne G wrote in message ...
In principle, I rank radio/CD/MP3-headphone-equipped hearing-challenged skiers almost as low as the ones who answer their mobile phones but fail to step off the track:-) Count me in to this group then, i have used my mp3 all the seasoon now on my LSD sessions, it's relaxing to think about other things to the rhytm of good music and the time/km flies by. Hitting near 700k now. You probably won´t suddenly switch lanes, step off the tracks to herringbone at the foot of a hill without looking over your shoulder first or skate from side to side up a hill with your gaze to the ground deaf to any shouts of warning! (OK, it´s always the responsibility of the faster skier to avoid a collision, but I guess I´m easily annoyed...) Anders |
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