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Good advice on the Internet :)
I've gotten a lot of advice here in the last few weeks, some of which I
actually understand. I've also been reading a couple of books on skiing. Yesterday I put it all together, and had a bit of a surprise. Now, if you've been around Usenet for a while, you know that the information you get in newsgroups is of, well, variable quality, to be charitable. But this morning, I have no need to be charitable What was interesting was that out there on the snow, the advice that helped the most and was most useful was mostly advice I'd gotten here in this newsgroup. It really helped a lot! Thanks to all the advice, on my 7th ski day, I was able to ski an easy blue with speed, confidence, and total control. My friend, who'd been with me only on my first 1.5 day trip was very impressed at my progress. But it gets better. On my 8th ski day, yesterday, I was able to ski a less easy blue (Shirley Lake at Squaw). The first time or two, I was just coping, just getting down the hill. Then I noticed that my boots had loosened up... After I tightened them up, I was able to ski this hill with confidence, control, and even more speed. It was so wonderful. So here's some of the tidbits of knowledge that were particularly useful. Arm position. This was the biggest help, actually. Anytime that my balance seemed less than optimum, I looked for my hands, and they weren't forward. Bringing them forward always fixed any balance problems. Big and little toes. This time, I finally really understood what you all were saying about the big toe being a key to getting a good edge bite. And I got the little toe of the inside foot too, finally. It was a bit weird how I could be doing a decent turn, focus on those toes, and the turn got better. Sideslipping. Oh yeah, nice. Great way to shed a bit of speed in a well controlled way. I was surprised that sideslipping was more tiring than not slipping. This helped a lot though, when I was on a steeper slope than I was comfortable with. Agression/defense. I now understand well what is meant by skiing defensively versus aggressively, attacking the slope. In defensive mode it's all about coping, just getting down in one piece. It's a bit frightening, and very tiring. It's just reacting, a reactive way of skiing. But when I got into a more aggressive mode, all the control shifted to me. New things became not only possible, but almost easy. So, at the end of my first (abbreviated) ski season, I've accomplished every one of my goals and more. If you'd asked me after my first ski day, just a few short weeks ago, if I would be skiing blue runs by the end of the season, I would have been dubious in the extreme. I'm very very happy, and you all helped make that happen. Thanks! Lisa |
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Good advice on the Internet :)
Lisa Horton wrote: snip uplifting tale of skiing success.... So here's some of the tidbits of knowledge that were particularly useful. Arm position. I give f2f some **** at times for his long posts, but he (and several others) is spot on the money with this tip. Big and little toes. This time, I finally really understood ... Congrats for understanding it at all Sideslipping. Oh yeah, nice. Great way to shed a bit of speed in a well controlled way. I was surprised that sideslipping was more tiring Carving is the way to go. I still sometimes sideslip, but never at speed (except to hit a gap) or to brake, only slowly in a chute. Eventually you'll find you can carve almost anything (except steep narrow chutes), even slowly, and remain in control. Agression/defense. I now understand well what is meant by skiing defensively versus aggressively, attacking the slope. Good. When you realise you're skiing defensively, hands up, get forward and attack it and it's like the slope was tipped 20 degrees shallower... So, at the end of my first (abbreviated) ski season, I've accomplished every one of my goals and more. If you'd asked me after my first ski day, just a few short weeks ago, if I would be skiing blue runs by the end of the season, I would have been dubious in the extreme. I'm very very happy, and you all helped make that happen. Thanks! I'm sure I speak for everyone in saying that it is our pleasure to welcome someone else to the club. Well done, and it gets better. |
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Good advice on the Internet :)
"BrritSki" wrote in message ... Lisa Horton wrote: snip uplifting tale of skiing success.... So here's some of the tidbits of knowledge that were particularly useful. Arm position. I give f2f some **** at times for his long posts, but he (and several others) is spot on the money with this tip. Big and little toes. This time, I finally really understood ... Congrats for understanding it at all Sideslipping. Oh yeah, nice. Great way to shed a bit of speed in a well controlled way. I was surprised that sideslipping was more tiring Carving is the way to go. I still sometimes sideslip, but never at speed (except to hit a gap) or to brake, only slowly in a chute. Eventually you'll find you can carve almost anything (except steep narrow chutes), even slowly, and remain in control. Agression/defense. I now understand well what is meant by skiing defensively versus aggressively, attacking the slope. Good. When you realise you're skiing defensively, hands up, get forward and attack it and it's like the slope was tipped 20 degrees shallower... So, at the end of my first (abbreviated) ski season, I've accomplished every one of my goals and more. If you'd asked me after my first ski day, just a few short weeks ago, if I would be skiing blue runs by the end of the season, I would have been dubious in the extreme. I'm very very happy, and you all helped make that happen. Thanks! I'm sure I speak for everyone in saying that it is our pleasure to welcome someone else to the club. Well done, and it gets better. I second what BrritSki said. I would add one thing to one thing that you mention Lisa and it has made a major improvement in my skiing. You mentioned something about your boots getting loose and then you buckled them tighter. Try this it will take a little getting use to but will help your body to learn the forward position a little better and faster. Loosen your top two buckles and strap as looses as the boot will allow, now ski a very easy green run. The first thing you will notice is it is much more difficult to turn and you can only skid your turns. If this is the case really apply the forward pressure on the boot tongue until it won't move forward anymore. To do this you must bend your knees and push your shins forward. While keeping this pressure try your turns again, you should immediately notice you can turn without skidding. I keep my boots this way and it has made a remarkable difference in staying forward and out of the back seat. I used to always get knocked into the back seat, I would tighten the boots to help me turn but I was still in the back seat! The only time I tighten them now is when I am going to ski fast & hard or conditions are very mushy or unpredictable or when skiing moguls. Hope this helps, JQ Dancing on the edge |
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Good advice on the Internet :)
Lisa Horton wrote:
Now, if you've been around Usenet for a while, you know that the information you get in newsgroups is of, well, variable quality, to be charitable. But this morning, I have no need to be charitable Just a heads up - things usually quiet down to nothing among the skiers here in RSA during the summer; but the nut-cases sometimes keep right on going. So it may look like the signal to noise ratio is too small to bother with RSA ever again - not true; we'll all be back when the weather turns brisk, ready to go; so stay tuned in. If you do get up to Hood, etc. over the summer please post a trip report. |
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Good advice on the Internet :)
"Lisa Horton" wrote in message ... I've gotten a lot of advice here in the last few weeks, some of which I actually understand. I've also been reading a couple of books on skiing. Yesterday I put it all together, and had a bit of a surprise. Now, if you've been around Usenet for a while, you know that the information you get in newsgroups is of, well, variable quality, to be charitable. But this morning, I have no need to be charitable What was interesting was that out there on the snow, the advice that helped the most and was most useful was mostly advice I'd gotten here in this newsgroup. It really helped a lot! Thanks to all the advice, on my 7th ski day, I was able to ski an easy blue with speed, confidence, and total control. My friend, who'd been with me only on my first 1.5 day trip was very impressed at my progress. But it gets better. On my 8th ski day, yesterday, I was able to ski a less easy blue (Shirley Lake at Squaw). The first time or two, I was just coping, just getting down the hill. Then I noticed that my boots had loosened up... After I tightened them up, I was able to ski this hill with confidence, control, and even more speed. It was so wonderful. So here's some of the tidbits of knowledge that were particularly useful. Arm position. This was the biggest help, actually. Anytime that my balance seemed less than optimum, I looked for my hands, and they weren't forward. Bringing them forward always fixed any balance problems. Home position. If you get in trouble, go home. Hands forward especially. Every second you spend skiing with hands waving around, or otherwise not forward, is wasted time. Dangerous time in fact. Right on! Big and little toes. This time, I finally really understood what you all were saying about the big toe being a key to getting a good edge bite. And I got the little toe of the inside foot too, finally. It was a bit weird how I could be doing a decent turn, focus on those toes, and the turn got better. Sideslipping. Oh yeah, nice. Great way to shed a bit of speed in a well controlled way. I was surprised that sideslipping was more tiring than not slipping. This helped a lot though, when I was on a steeper slope than I was comfortable with. Agression/defense. I now understand well what is meant by skiing defensively versus aggressively, attacking the slope. In defensive mode it's all about coping, just getting down in one piece. It's a bit frightening, and very tiring. It's just reacting, a reactive way of skiing. But when I got into a more aggressive mode, all the control shifted to me. New things became not only possible, but almost easy. So, at the end of my first (abbreviated) ski season, I've accomplished every one of my goals and more. If you'd asked me after my first ski day, just a few short weeks ago, if I would be skiing blue runs by the end of the season, I would have been dubious in the extreme. I'm very very happy, and you all helped make that happen. Thanks! Lisa People ski all their lives and never really get to the point where they use the big and pinky toe balls of their feet as they ski. People ski all their lives and never realize that it's really the *feet*, one side and/or the other, that make the big difference. You ski with your feet more than anything else. Can you do these?::: Start a turn on both feet, finish the last half of the turn with the inside ski in the air (most can do this). Start a turn on both feet, finish the last half of the turn with the *outside* ski in the air (most *can't* do this). Sideslip on a fairly steep slope with the uphill ski in the air. Slip, then stop, repeat. Sideslip on the same slope with the *downhill* ski in the air. Do the same as above. Traverse long distances with only the downhill, then only the uphill ski on the snow. Leave a solid edge-only track in the snow. Traverse on the uphill ski, then point the ski down the hill a bit, then turn it back up the hill to slow down, then repeat as you wish. . As you do these, you learn that you really don't have the *strength* on the pinky side of your foot/leg to hold an edge with only the inside ski. These are muscles you never really knew you had, and have never had the occaision to really use before you started to ski. So, you can do the above drills at length to develop that strength, then to learn the balance to ski a few turns on only *one ski*. Also, to *vary the radii* of one ski turns that you make, in addition, learning to be able to make one turn at a time to a stop on one ski in both directions. There's another thing you learn. That is, you not only use these new muscles to ski on the pinky side of your foot, but you also use *your mind* to do it. Once you can do that, you then are fully able to use both, or either ski. You've truly mastered pinky and big toe edge. Your skiing will reflect it. You'll know it, you'll feel it. Here this winter, I failed yet *another* PSIA level two exam, partly because (at times) I'm turning mostly on the *inside ski*. As long as you're crossed over that ski, this isn't necessarily bad (perhaps the number two reason people fall is because they get caught up (too much weight) on the inside ski, but the only reason they fall is because they're not balanced over and/or crossed over it). PSIA just doesn't like it I guess. There are plenty of members who simply *can't* turn on the inside ski. It's not easy to do. It's more in the "being able" to do it, as opposed to the doing or not doing it. For the last year or so I've really been working on pinky edge and one-ski skiing. I mention the above because it sort of shows that, if you want to and you work, you can learn it. You might even learn to overdo it. Using skidding/slipping to control speed can be more tiring as opposed to using turn shape and linked turns to control speed, it depends on the conditions of the snow, and how much speed you try to lose per turn. If you spray any snow at all in a turn, you are in fact skidding/slipping, so it's all kind of relative. I can't think of anything more effortless than to sideslip straight down a nice smooth slope. It's all in the relaxation. You might start to work on pivot slips, this will help you to take on tough bumps and steeps. What you do is simply sideslip straight down something with hands, hips and shoulders dead straight down the slope the entire time. Start with skis directly across the hill, slip for a while, flex, then give a tiny up unweight and use rotation of the legs in the hip socket (not just twisting the feet from the lower leg bones) to switch the skis *very quickly* to pointing straight across the hill in the other direction. I mean *really* quickly. Like lightning. The turning of the skis comes only from the legs, not the hips or the shoulders, which only face straight down the hill, a perfect 90 degrees to the fall line. The upper body is the anchor around which the legs turn underneath the upper body. Get a rhythm going, extend, pivot, flex, extend, pivot, flex... This will help to learn to make extremely short radius, quick turns, like ones needed in tight bumps or really steep, narrow terrain, or in trees. It seems tedious on average slopes, but you see the value once you take it into difficult bumps and steep slopes. Even if conditions don't allow you to slip this turn, the quick, powerful rotation of the legs is a skill that's essential. The above is the closest thing there is to the old time quick wedel. Just a question for you if you end up having time to answer, at the present time, can you describe how it is you are matching the skis? To refresh briefly, one initiates a turn (usually) with the outside ski, then "matches" the inside ski to the outside to result in a parallel turn as opposed to a wedge style turn. How are you matching your skis at this time? How are you matching the inside ski to the outside? Can you tell, or are you just doing it? Either is fine of course, but I was just curious. Another quick comment Lisa, in re your statement about how you're a bit surprised at how well you've done. This is a very good outcome, but in reality, it must be the only outcome. When it comes to teaching beginners, it's not enough to ensure that the student "has fun". You must get the student *skiing* in some fashion that first day, whatever it takes. That is, actually skiing green or preferably blue terrain, not just scraping down the bunny hill. This can be done if it's kept simple, using the most effective techniques. You must get the student skiing, but more than that, the student must end up truly amazed, in fact dumbfounded at the progress they've made at the conclusion of the lesson/day/multisession, however it's done. Otherwise, the student will be lost to the sport, and give up on it. "Having fun", is not enough. Nowhere near enough. |
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Good advice on the Internet :)
"foot2foot" wrote in message ... "Lisa Horton" wrote in message ... I've gotten a lot of advice here in the last few weeks, some of which I actually understand. I've also been reading a couple of books on skiing. Yesterday I put it all together, and had a bit of a surprise. Now, if you've been around Usenet for a while, you know that the information you get in newsgroups is of, well, variable quality, to be charitable. But this morning, I have no need to be charitable What was interesting was that out there on the snow, the advice that helped the most and was most useful was mostly advice I'd gotten here in this newsgroup. It really helped a lot! Thanks to all the advice, on my 7th ski day, I was able to ski an easy blue with speed, confidence, and total control. My friend, who'd been with me only on my first 1.5 day trip was very impressed at my progress. But it gets better. On my 8th ski day, yesterday, I was able to ski a less easy blue (Shirley Lake at Squaw). The first time or two, I was just coping, just getting down the hill. Then I noticed that my boots had loosened up... After I tightened them up, I was able to ski this hill with confidence, control, and even more speed. It was so wonderful. So here's some of the tidbits of knowledge that were particularly useful. Arm position. This was the biggest help, actually. Anytime that my balance seemed less than optimum, I looked for my hands, and they weren't forward. Bringing them forward always fixed any balance problems. Home position. If you get in trouble, go home. Hands forward especially. Every second you spend skiing with hands waving around, or otherwise not forward, is wasted time. Dangerous time in fact. Right on! Big and little toes. This time, I finally really understood what you all were saying about the big toe being a key to getting a good edge bite. And I got the little toe of the inside foot too, finally. It was a bit weird how I could be doing a decent turn, focus on those toes, and the turn got better. Sideslipping. Oh yeah, nice. Great way to shed a bit of speed in a well controlled way. I was surprised that sideslipping was more tiring than not slipping. This helped a lot though, when I was on a steeper slope than I was comfortable with. Agression/defense. I now understand well what is meant by skiing defensively versus aggressively, attacking the slope. In defensive mode it's all about coping, just getting down in one piece. It's a bit frightening, and very tiring. It's just reacting, a reactive way of skiing. But when I got into a more aggressive mode, all the control shifted to me. New things became not only possible, but almost easy. So, at the end of my first (abbreviated) ski season, I've accomplished every one of my goals and more. If you'd asked me after my first ski day, just a few short weeks ago, if I would be skiing blue runs by the end of the season, I would have been dubious in the extreme. I'm very very happy, and you all helped make that happen. Thanks! Lisa People ski all their lives and never really get to the point where they use the big and pinky toe balls of their feet as they ski. People ski all their lives and never realize that it's really the *feet*, one side and/or the other, that make the big difference. You ski with your feet more than anything else. Can you do these?::: Start a turn on both feet, finish the last half of the turn with the inside ski in the air (most can do this). Start a turn on both feet, finish the last half of the turn with the *outside* ski in the air (most *can't* do this). Sideslip on a fairly steep slope with the uphill ski in the air. Slip, then stop, repeat. Sideslip on the same slope with the *downhill* ski in the air. Do the same as above. Traverse long distances with only the downhill, then only the uphill ski on the snow. Leave a solid edge-only track in the snow. Traverse on the uphill ski, then point the ski down the hill a bit, then turn it back up the hill to slow down, then repeat as you wish. . As you do these, you learn that you really don't have the *strength* on the pinky side of your foot/leg to hold an edge with only the inside ski. These are muscles you never really knew you had, and have never had the occaision to really use before you started to ski. So, you can do the above drills at length to develop that strength, then to learn the balance to ski a few turns on only *one ski*. Also, to *vary the radii* of one ski turns that you make, in addition, learning to be able to make one turn at a time to a stop on one ski in both directions. There's another thing you learn. That is, you not only use these new muscles to ski on the pinky side of your foot, but you also use *your mind* to do it. Once you can do that, you then are fully able to use both, or either ski. You've truly mastered pinky and big toe edge. Your skiing will reflect it. You'll know it, you'll feel it. Here this winter, I failed yet *another* PSIA level two exam, partly because (at times) I'm turning mostly on the *inside ski*. As long as you're crossed over that ski, this isn't necessarily bad (perhaps the number two reason people fall is because they get caught up (too much weight) on the inside ski, but the only reason they fall is because they're not balanced over and/or crossed over it). PSIA just doesn't like it I guess. There are plenty of members who simply *can't* turn on the inside ski. It's not easy to do. It's more in the "being able" to do it, as opposed to the doing or not doing it. For the last year or so I've really been working on pinky edge and one-ski skiing. I mention the above because it sort of shows that, if you want to and you work, you can learn it. You might even learn to overdo it. Using skidding/slipping to control speed can be more tiring as opposed to using turn shape and linked turns to control speed, it depends on the conditions of the snow, and how much speed you try to lose per turn. If you spray any snow at all in a turn, you are in fact skidding/slipping, so it's all kind of relative. I can't think of anything more effortless than to sideslip straight down a nice smooth slope. It's all in the relaxation. You might start to work on pivot slips, this will help you to take on tough bumps and steeps. What you do is simply sideslip straight down something with hands, hips and shoulders dead straight down the slope the entire time. Start with skis directly across the hill, slip for a while, flex, then give a tiny up unweight and use rotation of the legs in the hip socket (not just twisting the feet from the lower leg bones) to switch the skis *very quickly* to pointing straight across the hill in the other direction. I mean *really* quickly. Like lightning. The turning of the skis comes only from the legs, not the hips or the shoulders, which only face straight down the hill, a perfect 90 degrees to the fall line. The upper body is the anchor around which the legs turn underneath the upper body. Get a rhythm going, extend, pivot, flex, extend, pivot, flex... This will help to learn to make extremely short radius, quick turns, like ones needed in tight bumps or really steep, narrow terrain, or in trees. It seems tedious on average slopes, but you see the value once you take it into difficult bumps and steep slopes. Even if conditions don't allow you to slip this turn, the quick, powerful rotation of the legs is a skill that's essential. The above is the closest thing there is to the old time quick wedel. Just a question for you if you end up having time to answer, at the present time, can you describe how it is you are matching the skis? To refresh briefly, one initiates a turn (usually) with the outside ski, then "matches" the inside ski to the outside to result in a parallel turn as opposed to a wedge style turn. How are you matching your skis at this time? How are you matching the inside ski to the outside? Can you tell, or are you just doing it? Either is fine of course, but I was just curious. Another quick comment Lisa, in re your statement about how you're a bit surprised at how well you've done. This is a very good outcome, but in reality, it must be the only outcome. When it comes to teaching beginners, it's not enough to ensure that the student "has fun". You must get the student *skiing* in some fashion that first day, whatever it takes. That is, actually skiing green or preferably blue terrain, not just scraping down the bunny hill. This can be done if it's kept simple, using the most effective techniques. You must get the student skiing, but more than that, the student must end up truly amazed, in fact dumbfounded at the progress they've made at the conclusion of the lesson/day/multisession, however it's done. Otherwise, the student will be lost to the sport, and give up on it. "Having fun", is not enough. Nowhere near enough. foot2foot, I was wondering on how to develop the pinky edge (inside ski) turns. Your explanation makes it much easier to figure out. My son just turned 12 yrs old, just picks up one ski and skis on the other it's nice to be young. Just a little tidbit, what really got me into skiing was the challenge. I started at age 40 with bad knees and back. I had been a national level competitor most of my life in the martial arts and as a runner. I couldn't ski a lick when I started and all I was doing was major wipe-outs. I took many lessons with many different instructors, my best lessons were from a ski teacher at Big Mountain (Kjell Petersen) a great person too. He was able to teach the technical aspects of skiing much like you and your explanations. I then started to read and buy technical skiing videos and watch the more advance skiers to break down the mechanics. I truly believe if skiing would have came easy to me I would not have kept skiing for 10 years now. I strive to improve and each year I have made numerous advances and able to ski things I only dreamed of. I do have a question for you, how do you ski a trail that basically a deep groove (about 2' wide, 6" to 12" deep) and control speed and turn as the trail turns (these are generally in the trees)? I know I start to panic and stiffen up because I feel I cannot control my speed or turns and the trees so close to the path doesn't help either. I do not make a habit of skiing these types of runs but sometimes while following my son he gets me into them. He has no problem in them, he likes and looks for them. I try to tell him to keep me out of those types of runs but it would be nice to know how to ski them all the same. Thanks, JQ Dancing on the edge |
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(snip and thanks for nice comments JQ) "JQ I do have a question for you, how do you ski a trail that basically a deep groove (about 2' wide, 6" to 12" deep) and control speed and turn as the trail turns (these are generally in the trees)? Those darn kids and their little tiny skis.... This is a common dillemma among many a Powder Pig instructor. Miles and miles of trails through trees that were made by little tiny skis. And many a branch the kids can ski right under that will decapitate adults. I can't stand the adult version of those kind of trails either. There's one at Timberline, mostly as you describe, and there's a really sharp turn, if you miss it you could seriously kiss a tree. If you know the route, it's usually a different story. I mostly don't though, as I travel area to area quite a bit. There is room to turn and all in that one, it's a dedicated adult? run, but you have to be really quick, and it's so tight. Hate it. Badger Mountain in Waterville, Wash, has something like that as well, it's their "green" terrain. They really need to clear some of the gentler areas of that hill, now they mostly have one kind of terrain, straight down and steep. In fact, White Pass has a double diamond run like that, except it's sheer rock bank on the right, cliff on the left with tight trees. I think Brundage has something like that as well, a trail that leads to their cliff area. Hate em. Well, you could use little tiny skis. In fact, Hillcrest Sports? in Gresham (down the hill from Timberline), still has two pair of Atomic crossmax type 120's, and one pair Betacarv 120's, actual adult /performance intended (not development skis) 120's. Device 310 rental style bindings. Real skis. Ice skates in fact. Carving machines. Stable at speed once you learn how to steer them. Beat the crap out of you in crud though, unless you're *really* hot at absorbtion?, this because they're so short. They'd probably ship them to you. I have the same problem trying to go down some of these things that snowboarders have made by heel edging straight down some steep path through the trees in order to go hide and get stoned in the woods. Scary. The skis are just too long to fit in the gully. I can just see myself getting stuck on one of those just as a boarder is coming down, you know, one of those whose responsibility code says, "Hey may, look out, get out of my way!" Especially after they just got wasted. I can't think of anything better one could do than to wedge to control speed, or to hop. You lose all kinds of speed if you hop. Then, just don't let the speed get beyond where one can control it with a wedge. Also look for the places where you do have room to check a little, then hit them for all they are worth, maybe stop altogether, then start again. .. Maybe you could sideslip up on one side or the other, cutting down the edge of the groove, or go high and slip on the turns on one side or the other. Then, if you end up skiing the same stuff, learn how fast you can go by increasing speed a bit at a time. I'm assuming your kid's skis are a lot shorter than yours? How does your son control *his* speed? My advice as to your question probably really sucks bigtime, perhaps others could pipe in. Imagine trying to run a sled up to somebody on one of those, then trying to sled them out.....heck, I'd rather take off the skis and walk him out. Hmm, wonder what Crash would have to say on this... I know I start to panic and stiffen up So do I. because I feel I cannot control my speed or turns and the trees so close to the path doesn't help either. Same here. I do not make a habit of skiing these types of runs but sometimes while following my son he gets me into them. Me too sometimes. He has no problem in them, he likes and looks for them. Don't you just hate that? Then they want to go off all those darn little jumps as well..... I try to tell him to keep me out of those types of runs but it would be nice to know how to ski them all the same. Thanks, JQ Dancing on the edge |
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JQ wrote:
I do have a question for you, how do you ski a trail that basically a deep groove (about 2' wide, 6" to 12" deep) and control speed and turn as the trail turns (these are generally in the trees)? Just to make sure the iconoclast folks are getting a hearing, I'll stand up and throw out two suggestions: Use skis that are long enough that if you get in a totally untenable situation you can throw them sideways and emergency hockey stop - spanning the whole trough on your long skis. Ride the sides of the groove - i.e. treat em like banked turns at Indy. |
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Good advice on the Internet :)
"foot2foot" wrote in message ... JQ wrote in message: (snip and thanks for nice comments JQ) You are most welcome I can't think of anything better one could do than to wedge to control speed, or to hop. You lose all kinds of speed if you hop. Then, just don't let the speed get beyond where one can control it with a wedge. Also look for the places where you do have room to check a little, then hit them for all they are worth, maybe stop altogether, then start again. This what I do, I stop and think to myself why did I do this and how can I get out of here. Maybe you could sideslip up on one side or the other, cutting down the edge of the groove, or go high and slip on the turns on one side or the other. Then, if you end up skiing the same stuff, learn how fast you can go by increasing speed a bit at a time. Good point! I'll keep this in mind the next time. I'm assuming your kid's skis are a lot shorter than yours? How does your son control *his* speed? Yes his skis are much shorter (135cm vs 181cm). He doesn't worry about it. He gets so far ahead of me I can't see him, if it is a trail follows the main trial and I can see him it there he seems to just follows the path. When there are a lot of up and downs he tries to make jumps out of them. I have seen him make stops or go around people that had fallen or stopped. My advice as to your question probably really sucks bigtime, perhaps others could pipe in. No It has opened my mind to see it differently. I guess it takes a lot of practice and getting use to being in there. Imagine trying to run a sled up to somebody on one of those, then trying to sled them out.....heck, I'd rather take off the skis and walk him out. Hmm, wonder what Crash would have to say on this... I did walk out of one after hitting a jump that I wasn't expecting and wiping out on the other side Don't you just hate that? Then they want to go off all those darn little jumps as well..... Yep, that him... You gave me some good pointers that I didn't think of. I tried the wedge and that to me was very difficult and dangerous as it made it too easy to cross the tips and was very hard to get into a good wedge. It could have been a problem with me more than actually getting into the wedge. Thanks, JQ Dancing on the edge |
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Good advice on the Internet :)
"lal_truckee" wrote in message ... JQ wrote: I do have a question for you, how do you ski a trail that basically a deep groove (about 2' wide, 6" to 12" deep) and control speed and turn as the trail turns (these are generally in the trees)? Just to make sure the iconoclast folks are getting a hearing, I'll stand up and throw out two suggestions: Use skis that are long enough that if you get in a totally untenable situation you can throw them sideways and emergency hockey stop - spanning the whole trough on your long skis. Ride the sides of the groove - i.e. treat em like banked turns at Indy. I need to try this the next time I happened to be in one. Thanks, JQ Dancing on the edge |
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