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On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:11:23 -0400, Dave Stallard
wrote this crap:



Can a person be sooooo ****ed up at some point that they NEVER sober
up?

Sure! It's called "dry drunk syndrome". They may have stopped
drinking, but all the negative personality traits that made them
alcoholics are still there, unchanged. All the ragefulness, the
black-and-white thinking, the extreme self-centeredness, etc.

Scottie self-centered? I never would have thought.

It reminds me of that movie where Jackie Gleason is admiring himself
in a full length mirror, and he turns to Paul Newman, and says, "You
know, It's hard for a fat man to be a narcissist."




A mighty Hungarian warrior
The blood of Attila runs through me

On Sep 12, 8:11*pm, Dave Stallard wrote:
pigo wrote:
On Sep 11, 8:00 pm, Dave Stallard wrote:
twobuddha wrote:
On Aug 30, 2:42 pm, Yabahoobs wrote:
On Aug 30, 2:17 pm, klaus wrote:
AA chapter he
attends.
Please reply only via email to the address above.
Klaus Biggers
This may be accessible by just reviewing his frequent references to
it. *I believe he said his "home" AA group was at a specific location
in WA this weekend. *A few phone calls might get this answer.
Cool. *Stalk me to an AA meeting. *Here's another clue. *Law
Enforcement and judges just LOVE sober people. *
Especially sober people they've had to remove from Al Anon meetings
under threat of arrest! *LOL.

* *Dave

Let's examine WHY "LE loves sober people" shall we. Is it because they
are largely not as likely to exhibit the profane outbursts and
violence that they were when they were under the influence? So even if
trunky was sober, he still acts like a stone drunk.

Can a person be sooooo ****ed up at some point that they NEVER sober
up?

Sure! *It's called "dry drunk syndrome". *They may have stopped
drinking, but all the negative personality traits that made them
alcoholics are still there, unchanged. *All the ragefulness, the
black-and-white thinking, the extreme self-centeredness, etc. *Because
they haven't truly gone through recovery, their thinking (if you can
call it that) has never changed. * Plus, years of heavy drinking are
guaranteed to cause neurological damage, which reveals itself more and
more as time goes by.

I wasn't talking about the personality traits as much as the negitive
behavior that some people exhibit when they are drunk. The so called
"bad drunk". That would never fight or hit is wife or otherwise behave
abusively when sober but are complete assholes when drunk.

Imagine your horror when you decide to quit drinking (or are forced
throught the courts like trunky) and you still act like a drunk but
without the fun! But then there is the situation with his little
brother. I wonder if he was sober when he started raping him?

Some people, including some M.D.'s, say that President Bush is a
passenger in this boat, and that may be true. *But I know for sure that
Schattie is one of the crew!

That's a pretty cheap shot. Considering that President Bush got the
same grades at Yale as "the great" John Kerry. Does that make
President Bush as smart as Kerry or Kerry as stupid as people claim
President Bush to be? President Bush seems like a pretty nice guy to
me. He's made some mistakes, but those have come from him moving to
the left to try to make everyone happy IMO.

"pigo" wrote in message
...

That's a pretty cheap shot. Considering that President Bush got the
same grades at Yale as "the great" John Kerry. Does that make
President Bush as smart as Kerry or Kerry as stupid as people claim
President Bush to be? President Bush seems like a pretty nice guy to
me. He's made some mistakes, but those have come from him moving to
the left to try to make everyone happy IMO.

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Bush obviously had much better connections at Yale.

"Some mistakes"? He took us into an unneeded war that has killed thousands of
Americans soldiers, and perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. And practically
bankrupted us, and drained the military. All for his rambo ego trip and oil. And
now the Iraqis are dealing with China for their oil, and cancelling their No Bid
contracts with us.

Oops.

On Sep 13, 11:10*am, "Bob F" wrote:
"pigo" wrote in message

...

That's a pretty cheap shot. Considering that President Bush got the
same grades at Yale as "the great" John Kerry. Does that make
President Bush as smart as Kerry or Kerry as stupid as people claim
President Bush to be? President Bush seems like a pretty nice guy to
me. He's made some mistakes, but those have come from him moving to
the left to try to make everyone happy IMO.

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Bush obviously had much better connections at Yale.

Ah. How convenient a retort.

"Some mistakes"? He took us into an unneeded war that has killed thousands of
Americans soldiers, and perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. And practically
bankrupted us, and drained the military. All for his rambo ego trip and oil. And
now the Iraqis are dealing with China for their oil, and cancelling their No Bid
contracts with us.

Unneeded? Some would say that finishing the job when the defeated
don't live up to their surrender is what you are supposed to do. We've
also killed thousands or Al Queada there too. The problem is that we
didn't go in forcefully enough. And I think that is where President
Bush went wrong by trying to please the democrats.

"pigo" wrote in message
...
On Sep 13, 11:10 am, "Bob F" wrote:
"pigo" wrote in message

...

That's a pretty cheap shot. Considering that President Bush got the
same grades at Yale as "the great" John Kerry. Does that make
President Bush as smart as Kerry or Kerry as stupid as people claim
President Bush to be? President Bush seems like a pretty nice guy to
me. He's made some mistakes, but those have come from him moving to
the left to try to make everyone happy IMO.

************************************************** ***********

Bush obviously had much better connections at Yale.

Ah. How convenient a retort.

"Some mistakes"? He took us into an unneeded war that has killed thousands of
Americans soldiers, and perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. And
practically
bankrupted us, and drained the military. All for his rambo ego trip and oil.
And
now the Iraqis are dealing with China for their oil, and cancelling their No
Bid
contracts with us.

Unneeded? Some would say that finishing the job when the defeated
don't live up to their surrender is what you are supposed to do. We've
also killed thousands or Al Queada there too. The problem is that we
didn't go in forcefully enough. And I think that is where President
Bush went wrong by trying to please the democrats.

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Finishing what job. Saddam was contained. He allowed no Al Queda anywhere he
could get at them. Any we've killed, were mostly recruited to fight our
invasion. And we've certainly helped the recruitment effort world wide by our
poorly thought out actions.

Can you honestly say that americans are safer now anywhere else in the world
than they were before our invasion? Few can say it - none honestly, as far as I
can see. Thousands more are dead, with no decrease in terrorism. Al Queda is as
strong now as on 9/11.

pigo wrote:

That's a pretty cheap shot. Considering that President Bush got the
same grades at Yale as "the great" John Kerry. Does that make
President Bush as smart as Kerry or Kerry as stupid as people claim
President Bush to be? President Bush seems like a pretty nice guy to
me. He's made some mistakes, but those have come from him moving to
the left to try to make everyone happy IMO.

I never said he Bush wasn't smart! I said he has a past history of
serious alcohol abuse (a fact and acknowledged by him), and that he may
be deteriorating mentally. Look at this video and decide for yourself.
It shows him debating Ann Richards in the Texas gubernatorial race in
1994. Totally different person. Articulate, spontaneous, fluent, on
top of things. You'll hardly recognize the Bush you know. Then it shows
him debating Kerry 10 years later. 180 degree change. He's out of it,
stumbling, barely able to use English. It's frightening. Just watch it
and tell me what you think:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32664644484246

Dave

On Sep 13, 4:46*pm, pigo wrote:

Unneeded? Some would say that finishing the job when the defeated
don't live up to their surrender is what you are supposed to do. We've
also killed thousands or Al Queada there too. The problem is that we
didn't go in forcefully enough. And I think that is where President
Bush went wrong by trying to please the democrats.

Wow.

On Sep 13, 5:21*pm, "Bob F" wrote:

Al Queda is as
strong now as on 9/11.

Wrong. They are stronger. The Bush war has indeed made America much
less safe because Al Quaeda is stronger, has higher numbers (and
always will despite HOWEVER many we kill / jail ). Everytime a US
Marine busts into a house and drags away a man (innocent of 'terror'
or not), we create 1, or more new terrorists...

....THIS is the problem so many in this country fail to see. The Iraq
war is making us much much more vulnerable to a global Al Queda
network with higher numbers...more young desperate lives that are more
motivated to kill themselves for (what they percieve as) a greater
good.

Bottom line : NO bomb, no amount of bombs, no amount of troops can
kill an idea. The proper way to fight anti-American terrorism starts
with getting the **** out of there and letting them live their lives,
while protecting ours.
Protecting our lives around our borders.

On Sep 13, 8:11*am, pigo wrote:

That's a pretty cheap shot. Considering that President Bush got the
same grades at Yale as "the great" John Kerry.

I love this chant from the Bush apologists.

Pigo...take a step back, regardless of your political affiliations.
Forget the supposed grades of Bush and Kerry or anyone else for that
matter. Now : Listen to George Bush. Listen to him talk. Listen to
his command of our language. Listen to him and how he struggles to
transmit simple ideas.

Now tell me you HONESTLY feel he has the same intelligence as Kerry ?
As Dick Cheney even ? Hell even as that as Scott Abraham ? Isn't it
Conservative doctrine to rely on good "ol' fashion" common sense ?
Common sense says George Bush is a damn moron. Beyond that, let us
all prevent ourselves from speculation on how Bush got the grades he
did (or didn't) at Yale.

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:27:54 -0700 (PDT), Yabahoobs
wrote this crap:

On Sep 13, 8:11*am, pigo wrote:

That's a pretty cheap shot. Considering that President Bush got the
same grades at Yale as "the great" John Kerry.

I love this chant from the Bush apologists.

Pigo...take a step back, regardless of your political affiliations.
Forget the supposed grades of Bush and Kerry or anyone else for that
matter. Now : Listen to George Bush. Listen to him talk. Listen to
his command of our language. Listen to him and how he struggles to
transmit simple ideas.

President George W. Bush speaks as a warrior should. He has a mighty
sword in one hand, and a sack of gold in the other. He chooses his
carefully, as he has enemies all around him.

Now tell me you HONESTLY feel he has the same intelligence as Kerry ?
As Dick Cheney even ? Hell even as that as Scott Abraham ? Isn't it
Conservative doctrine to rely on good "ol' fashion" common sense ?
Common sense says George Bush is a damn moron. Beyond that, let us
all prevent ourselves from speculation on how Bush got the grades he
did (or didn't) at Yale.


I don't see your Yale degree anywhere. Nor do I see your Harvard
degree. On the other hand, your mighty Hungarian warrior went to
college, and I have my accomplishments hanging on my wall, next to my
military awards.




A mighty Hungarian warrior
The blood of Attila runs through me