Snowboarder Dead :-(
From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself.
"Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. -- Simon Brown www.hb9drv.ch |
Simon Brown wrote:
From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I suffered a few near misses from people on the edge of control throughout the Sella Ronda this Xmas - the chances are slim, but let's hope the culprit comes forward or is identified. |
" cupra" wrote in message
... Simon Brown wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I suffered a few near misses from people on the edge of control throughout the Sella Ronda this Xmas - the chances are slim, but let's hope the culprit comes forward or is identified. Maybe there will be more info in the Italian press / websites. -- Simon Brown www.hb9drv.ch |
Simon Brown wrote:
" cupra" wrote in message ... Simon Brown wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I suffered a few near misses from people on the edge of control throughout the Sella Ronda this Xmas - the chances are slim, but let's hope the culprit comes forward or is identified. Maybe there will be more info in the Italian press / websites. They pretty much say the same, although it appears that there is a good description of the offender. |
" cupra" wrote in message ... Simon Brown wrote: " cupra" wrote in message ... Simon Brown wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I suffered a few near misses from people on the edge of control throughout the Sella Ronda this Xmas - the chances are slim, but let's hope the culprit comes forward or is identified. Maybe there will be more info in the Italian press / websites. They pretty much say the same, although it appears that there is a good description of the offender. I can't believe someone wouldn't stop in those circumstances. They might have been able to help. At least call for assistance. I hope they find him. A. D. |
Le Dieu wrote:
" cupra" wrote in message ... Simon Brown wrote: " cupra" wrote in message ... Simon Brown wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I suffered a few near misses from people on the edge of control throughout the Sella Ronda this Xmas - the chances are slim, but let's hope the culprit comes forward or is identified. Maybe there will be more info in the Italian press / websites. They pretty much say the same, although it appears that there is a good description of the offender. I can't believe someone wouldn't stop in those circumstances. They might have been able to help. At least call for assistance. I hope they find him. Yep - at the end of the day, any one of us could be a victim of something like this. |
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:00:40 +0100, "Simon Brown"
wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I find this a bit like the fairly frequent "biker down" threads on ukrm. I mean, was it anybody I know, or you know? If not, what's the big deal? I mean, it's not _that_ unusual an occurence. -- Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club. |
" cupra" wrote in message ... | Le Dieu wrote: | " cupra" wrote in message | ... | Simon Brown wrote: | " cupra" wrote in message | ... | Simon Brown wrote: | From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. | | "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer | gestorben" | | BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a | skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder | lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The | snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very | high speed. | | I suffered a few near misses from people on the edge of control | throughout the Sella Ronda this Xmas - the chances are slim, but | let's hope the culprit comes forward or is identified. | | | | Maybe there will be more info in the Italian press / websites. | | They pretty much say the same, although it appears that there is a | good description of the offender. | | | I can't believe someone wouldn't stop in those circumstances. They | might have been able to help. At least call for assistance. I hope | they find him. | | Yep - at the end of the day, any one of us could be a victim of something | like this. Would a helmet have helped? Who knows, but if it was a high speed collision, along the lines of a racing skier hitting a stationary boarder, it may not have made any difference. The Italians have got a raft of new laws that affect this sort of incident now, which include the criminal offence (along the lines of the well-established French law) of "non-assistance to a person in danger"). Still the maximum penalties are fines of 1000 euros, if I read the Italian press right. Hit and runs like this should be punishable by minimum prison terms, if the skier really was responsible. Pete |
Ace wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:00:40 +0100, "Simon Brown" wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I find this a bit like the fairly frequent "biker down" threads on ukrm. I mean, was it anybody I know, or you know? If not, what's the big deal? I mean, it's not _that_ unusual an occurence. The day a death on the slopes is treated as 'not a big deal' is the day I think I'll hang up my boots..... |
PG wrote:
" cupra" wrote in message ... Le Dieu wrote: " cupra" wrote in message ... Simon Brown wrote: " cupra" wrote in message ... Simon Brown wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I suffered a few near misses from people on the edge of control throughout the Sella Ronda this Xmas - the chances are slim, but let's hope the culprit comes forward or is identified. Maybe there will be more info in the Italian press / websites. They pretty much say the same, although it appears that there is a good description of the offender. I can't believe someone wouldn't stop in those circumstances. They might have been able to help. At least call for assistance. I hope they find him. Yep - at the end of the day, any one of us could be a victim of something like this. Would a helmet have helped? Who knows, but if it was a high speed collision, along the lines of a racing skier hitting a stationary boarder, it may not have made any difference. The Italians have got a raft of new laws that affect this sort of incident now, which include the criminal offence (along the lines of the well-established French law) of "non-assistance to a person in danger"). Still the maximum penalties are fines of 1000 euros, if I read the Italian press right. Hit and runs like this should be punishable by minimum prison terms, if the skier really was responsible. You're absolutely right about not knowing the circumstances of the accident and whether a helmet would have helped - all we know for sure is that the low life didn't stop to assist. |
"Ace" wrote in message ... On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:00:40 +0100, "Simon Brown" wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I find this a bit like the fairly frequent "biker down" threads on ukrm. I mean, was it anybody I know, or you know? If not, what's the big deal? I mean, it's not _that_ unusual an occurence. I suppose, like the biker threads, it's a bit like the, 'if not for the grace of god' thing. I'd just like to think that if somone wiped me out they'd stop to check if they could do anything to help. A. D. |
Hi cupra
I suffered a few near misses from people on the edge of control throughout the Sella Ronda this Xmas I do not really like prejudices, but my experiences with skiing in italian resorts, which are visited much by it italian skiiers, a If there is a queue at the lift it is dangerous to ski the piste. I never had that many really dangerous close-to-accidents with people who could not ski, but did a race down the piste, while talking to a mobile phone (or similar nice behaviours...). New year 2001 in Campitello we decided to do only backcountry tours, though we had bought four day ressort tickets - the avalanche risk was not that high as the risk to be injured on the piste. Florian |
BTW he died of head injuries, I don't know if he was wearing a helmet.
-- Simon Brown www.hb9drv.ch "Simon Brown" wrote in message ... Maybe there will be more info in the Italian press / websites. |
"Ace" wrote in message
... I find this a bit like the fairly frequent "biker down" threads on ukrm. I mean, was it anybody I know, or you know? If not, what's the big deal? I mean, it's not _that_ unusual an occurence. Dieing like this is rather unusual I think - at least death through collision doesn't get reported very much. Also we (I) often rant (used to rant) about snowboarders. -- Simon Brown www.hb9drv.ch |
Simon Brown wrote:
"Ace" wrote in message ... I find this a bit like the fairly frequent "biker down" threads on ukrm. I mean, was it anybody I know, or you know? If not, what's the big deal? I mean, it's not _that_ unusual an occurence. Dieing like this is rather unusual I think - at least death through collision doesn't get reported very much. Also we (I) often rant (used to rant) about snowboarders. In my experience, there seems to be an increase in the skill of boarders over the past 2/3 years (people are actually taking lessons these days). I rarely see as many Boarder-on-Skier collisions these days as I used to, whereas the anecdotal evidence of my last trip saw a few Skier-on-Skier and a couple of Skier-on-Boarder collisions but no Boarder-on-Skier. (this is not a troll to stoke up the old boarder/skier tensions btw!) |
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:52:28 -0000, " cupra"
wrote: Ace wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:00:40 +0100, "Simon Brown" wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I find this a bit like the fairly frequent "biker down" threads on ukrm. I mean, was it anybody I know, or you know? If not, what's the big deal? I mean, it's not _that_ unusual an occurence. The day a death on the slopes is treated as 'not a big deal' is the day I think I'll hang up my boots..... Do you drive a car? -- Champ |
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:00:40 +0100, "Simon Brown"
wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. He would have been much safer off piste :-) -- Champ |
Champ wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:52:28 -0000, " cupra" wrote: Ace wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:00:40 +0100, "Simon Brown" wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. I find this a bit like the fairly frequent "biker down" threads on ukrm. I mean, was it anybody I know, or you know? If not, what's the big deal? I mean, it's not _that_ unusual an occurence. The day a death on the slopes is treated as 'not a big deal' is the day I think I'll hang up my boots..... Do you drive a car? I do, out of necessity. |
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(this is not a troll to stoke up the old boarder/skier tensions btw!) As if they needed stoking up! IMHO they'd cut a whole load of accidents by legislating against snowboarder picnics! It seems as if every corner you go around there's a half dozen of em spreading the table cloth out! Its sometimes difficult to jump over them if you're not going fast enough! On a serious note though... hit-and-run on the piste is completely unforgiveable but just another sign of the IAJ (I'm Alright Jack) culture of today. IME some nationalities are more courteous and helpful (Dutch for instance?) than others. Why is that? |
John Ricketts wrote:
snip (this is not a troll to stoke up the old boarder/skier tensions btw!) As if they needed stoking up! IMHO they'd cut a whole load of accidents by legislating against snowboarder picnics! It seems as if every corner you go around there's a half dozen of em spreading the table cloth out! Its sometimes difficult to jump over them if you're not going fast enough! lol On a serious note though... hit-and-run on the piste is completely unforgiveable but just another sign of the IAJ (I'm Alright Jack) culture of today. IME some nationalities are more courteous and helpful (Dutch for instance?) than others. Why is that? IME it's down the the individual - I've met some very friendly and helpful Germans/Italians/French and so on, as well as some downright rude ones! |
"Champ" wrote in message ... On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:00:40 +0100, "Simon Brown" wrote: He would have been much safer off piste :-) -- Champ Didn't even bother posting this in my Les Houches report last week, I actually forgot - Les Houches was my first "piste" resort holiday for four years, as all the recent ones have been touring etc - though occassionally we have to travel through resorts to get a lift etc - anyway I was making the comment to my wife as to how I hate crowded piste slopes - 45 mins later, we were going down a blue chemain, and I was ahead, and prior to a junction in the piste, I went way off to the side and waited for her, then out of the corner of my eye I saw this skier coming straight at me, at first I though it was ACE going for me, I tried to move but was not fast enough and he hit me full on, I went flying and he shot pass me with both skies coming off etc etc - I went berserk at him, and his mates tried to calm me down, I was attempting to take my board off and climb back up to grab his skies and break them, I was so mad when my other half came down, she saw the whole thing - and then his mates tried to infer that I was going fast, when I was stationery - anyway, for those that have been away at the busy periods what you see on the piste is frightening, very much downmarket Frogs in 15year old nylon one pieces that think they can ski - with me it could of so well ended up with me in hospital, as it was I still have a few bruises on my back - later on, two of the same group fell off a chair lift as they got on it - I did try to exact my revenge by coming up alongside him and shoulder barging him, but my other half was getting mad at my antics plus I had to wait for her - oh well rant over, but I suppose these things have happened and will continue to happen, much like driving a car......but it does have to be said, that I did see more skier related "occurrences" than boards - mind you at that time of year I'd estimate that it was 80% skiers in Les Houches - La Tour was more like 70% |
anyway I was making the comment to my wife as to how I hate crowded
piste slopes - 45 mins later, we were going down a blue chemain, and I I remember choosing really cack off piste over piste to avoid various bottlenecks many times!! regards, Greg |
"Greg Hilton" wrote in message ... anyway I was making the comment to my wife as to how I hate crowded piste slopes - 45 mins later, we were going down a blue chemain, and I I remember choosing really cack off piste over piste to avoid various bottlenecks many times!! regards, Greg Actually in hindsight maybe that's what that lunatic was trying to do!! |
Champ wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:00:40 +0100, "Simon Brown" wrote: From www.tagesanzeiger.ch - a summary translated by myself. "Snowboarder in Italien nach Zusammenstoss mit Skifahrer gestorben" BELLUNO - A 38 year-old snowboarder died after a collision with a skier in the Dolomites. The skier left the injured snowboarder lying in the snow without offering any assistance. The snowboarder was rammed by the skier who was travelling at a very high speed. He would have been much safer off piste :-) No need for the smiley, I think you have a valid point. Sensible off-piste skiing is, in my opinion, safer than skiing on a piste, especially if the pistes are crowded and/or icy. I've had several close shaves on the piste [none my fault] and yet have never felt in the slightest bit of danger off the piste, mainly because off piste is usually quieter and skiers/boarders tend to be more experienced, more respectful of the conditions and of each other and just plain better behaved. |
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