So this guy walks into a ski newsgroup and he says...

[honclfibr]

"I bought these boots on Ebay..."

Anybody still with me? :)

Ok, great. So I bought these boots on Ebay to replace a pair of lange
X9's that I had received from my uncle about 6 years ago, after he had
skiied them quite a few years himself. I had previously been skiing on
lange XR7s, and loved the way the X9 felt; the thinner, tighter fit,
the stiffer flex, that whole feeling. So I says to myself, why should
I pay exorbitant retail prices, I know my foot size, I know lange boots
fit my foot, and I know I like a stiff race boot, I can buy boots on
ebay for the cheap!

Sooooo I go on ebay, and I buy the stiffest lange boot I can find,
which incidentally is the 130LF. I buy what I think is my size (9.5,
317mm), which turns out to be not exactly my size (the X9s were 323mm,
oops) and the boot is horribly, horribly painful. But I says to
myself, I says well I've been buckling those x9's up as tight as they
can go these last few years, and I tend to wear boots into the ground,
so maybe it was fate that I got the smaller size. Maybe I just need to
see one of them bootfitters I'm always hearing about.

So I head up to Paul Richelson's Feet First in plymouth, and paul takes
a look at my feet, and my boots, and tells me that yes, the 130LF can
be made to fit my foot but that I'm going to be in agony until some
work is done. Seems that I have a narrow heel which is the reason I've
always liked the langes, but the problem with the 317mm is that my big
toe and the opposing arch tends to, ahh, rub against the shell a bit,
and that's causing me no end to discomfort. It's jamming my toes into
a little ball of pain. But my heel is happy, which is nice, there's
just the tiny bit of lift on the X9s in 323mm.

Geez I'm really writing a novel here, I know I had a point...oh oh, I
remember now. Ok, so Paul says that the 9.5 is the right size in the
130lf for me, though he cautioned me that this is a race stiff boot
with paper thin liners and was I a ski racer or something? No, no I am
not. I ski hard and fast on the east coast ice rinks (currently
sitting on a pair of atomic GS:11's which I enjoy very much) but I am
definitely not a racer, just a recreational skiier. Ok, well so I like
my boots stiff and with a thin liner to increase control, and I'm
willing to sacrifice a bit of comfort for that. But my question to you
all is, how much comfort are we talking here? I was under the
impression that my old X9's were a race-class boot, but it seems that
this 130LF is a REALLY race class boot, and perhaps I'm just a bit
outclassed here? I have the option to either stick with the boot and
let Paul go about grinding out the toe and arch (I tried skiing two
runs in the boots as-is against his recommendation and I was in such
agony I could literally not even turn my skis) or return the boots and
try again. One other option is the person I got my boots from also has
a lange L10 in a size 10 that he'd exchange my boots for, now I know
that the 130lf is a newer, more expensive boot, but would I be better
off ignoring the $$$ signs and going with that boot, would my non-racer
ass be better off in the end? I'm 6'1, 175lbs or so if it matters,
like I said I really *like* a stiff boot but when I was in Feet First I
was sitting next to a kid about my height and weight who raced GS
competitively, and he was wearing the 120LF...hmm, did I do wrong?
Sorry for the lenghty rant, any advice is appreciated.

- Darrell

[VtSkier]

honclfibr wrote:
> "I bought these boots on Ebay..."
>
> Anybody still with me? :)
>
> Ok, great. So I bought these boots on Ebay to replace a pair of lange
> X9's that I had received from my uncle about 6 years ago, after he had
> skiied them quite a few years himself. I had previously been skiing on
> lange XR7s, and loved the way the X9 felt; the thinner, tighter fit,
> the stiffer flex, that whole feeling. So I says to myself, why should
> I pay exorbitant retail prices, I know my foot size, I know lange boots
> fit my foot, and I know I like a stiff race boot, I can buy boots on
> ebay for the cheap!
>
> Sooooo I go on ebay, and I buy the stiffest lange boot I can find,
> which incidentally is the 130LF. I buy what I think is my size (9.5,
> 317mm), which turns out to be not exactly my size (the X9s were 323mm,
> oops) and the boot is horribly, horribly painful. But I says to
> myself, I says well I've been buckling those x9's up as tight as they
> can go these last few years, and I tend to wear boots into the ground,
> so maybe it was fate that I got the smaller size. Maybe I just need to
> see one of them bootfitters I'm always hearing about.
>
> So I head up to Paul Richelson's Feet First in plymouth, and paul takes
> a look at my feet, and my boots, and tells me that yes, the 130LF can
> be made to fit my foot but that I'm going to be in agony until some
> work is done. Seems that I have a narrow heel which is the reason I've
> always liked the langes, but the problem with the 317mm is that my big
> toe and the opposing arch tends to, ahh, rub against the shell a bit,
> and that's causing me no end to discomfort. It's jamming my toes into
> a little ball of pain. But my heel is happy, which is nice, there's
> just the tiny bit of lift on the X9s in 323mm.
>
> Geez I'm really writing a novel here, I know I had a point...oh oh, I
> remember now. Ok, so Paul says that the 9.5 is the right size in the
> 130lf for me, though he cautioned me that this is a race stiff boot
> with paper thin liners and was I a ski racer or something? No, no I am
> not. I ski hard and fast on the east coast ice rinks (currently
> sitting on a pair of atomic GS:11's which I enjoy very much) but I am
> definitely not a racer, just a recreational skiier. Ok, well so I like
> my boots stiff and with a thin liner to increase control, and I'm
> willing to sacrifice a bit of comfort for that. But my question to you
> all is, how much comfort are we talking here? I was under the
> impression that my old X9's were a race-class boot, but it seems that
> this 130LF is a REALLY race class boot, and perhaps I'm just a bit
> outclassed here? I have the option to either stick with the boot and
> let Paul go about grinding out the toe and arch (I tried skiing two
> runs in the boots as-is against his recommendation and I was in such
> agony I could literally not even turn my skis) or return the boots and
> try again. One other option is the person I got my boots from also has
> a lange L10 in a size 10 that he'd exchange my boots for, now I know
> that the 130lf is a newer, more expensive boot, but would I be better
> off ignoring the $$$ signs and going with that boot, would my non-racer
> ass be better off in the end? I'm 6'1, 175lbs or so if it matters,
> like I said I really *like* a stiff boot but when I was in Feet First I
> was sitting next to a kid about my height and weight who raced GS
> competitively, and he was wearing the 120LF...hmm, did I do wrong?
> Sorry for the lenghty rant, any advice is appreciated.
>
> - Darrell
>
OK, so I got a pair of boots off ebay too. No shame there.
Just so's you know, both pair of boots that I'm talking
about below came mail order. The Raichle's from ebay and
the AT boots from Sierra Trading Post in Cheyenne, WY. I
went into these purchases knowing that I'd need professional
boot fitting services to make them work. SureFoot at Killington
had a great reputation and I wasn't disappointed. The combination
of great prices on the boots plus the addition of fitting
services still resulted in a total that was half the price
of new retail boots or maybe even better.

It also appears that you did most (but not all) of your homework.

Even here on the EasternIceRinks(tm) an all-out racing boot
is not everybody's cup of tea. My current boots are a pair
of Lowa Alpine Touring boots (very soft, comfy, and nice to
walk in when required AND a pair of Raichle Racing Flexons.

The Raichle's have a stiff (laterally) shell and force me into
the skier's shuffle when walking but are not especially stiff
fore to aft except for the limitation of forward lean.

The AT boots are like sneakers.

The Racing boots I had assumed would be for icy days, especially
those when I'm not working and don't have to walk around much.

I've found that even on days when EasternFirm(tm) prevails that
the AT boots work quite well. I'm not pushing terribly high end
skis with them, just nice Fischer mid-fats. In most cases I
have all the control I need.

I still feel the need for something a bit stiffer when I want
ski a little harder than normal, when I'm not working and
skiing with a rat pack, or skiing on my 6stars.

The racing boots do it for me quite well except that there are
a couple of areas where I seem to experience nerve damage if
I ski in them all day. It takes a day or so to be able to put
on ANY boot after that.

My solution will be to replace the racing boots with the same
brand of boot, but with a slightly larger shell and a liner
with more padding. I'm getting these Raichle's at such a good
price that I'm not out much money as they are not imported (or
even made) any more, but they have known weaknesses like buckles
falling off and the racing boots will give me a pair of
parts boots.

No question that Lange make great boots. My recommendation would
be to go for the slightly softer shell with more padding. I
think you will get all the support you need, especially on
modern skis and be MUCH happier in the long run.

VtSkier

[Let Mikey Ski It!]

honclfibr wrote:
>...hmm, did I do wrong?
> Sorry for the lenghty rant, any advice is appreciated.

A dumb question for you. Are these heat-moldable linings and did you
reheat and shape them?

I have the new Lange 120LF's and they are great. I usually wear a very
thin liner and a normal pair of ski socks. I had them heat shaped
without the sock liners which was a mistake. I thought they were so thin
that it would not make a difference but it did. Also, the tongue on the
new Langes seems to need proper placement or it can change the fit if it
is out of place.

Mike...

--
See my ski photography and Breckenridge photoblog at:
http://PowderDay.us
Carpe powder-diem

[ant]

"honclfibr" > wrote in message
> I have the option to either stick with the boot and
> let Paul go about grinding out the toe and arch

If grinding is going to do it, I'd be surprised. I usually need various bits
of my boots stretched out, and they do it with heat and wooden things shaped
to push out the boot, and when they've done as much of that as the plastic
will take, THEN they grind, but you don't lose much space with grinding.

If you can't ski in them, they are useless. Get rid of them and try again.

ant

[honclfibr]

ant wrote:
> "honclfibr" > wrote in message
> > I have the option to either stick with the boot and
> > let Paul go about grinding out the toe and arch
>
> If grinding is going to do it, I'd be surprised. I usually need
various bits
> of my boots stretched out, and they do it with heat and wooden things
shaped
> to push out the boot, and when they've done as much of that as the
plastic
> will take, THEN they grind, but you don't lose much space with
grinding.
>
> If you can't ski in them, they are useless. Get rid of them and try
again.
>
> ant

This is definitely my biggest fear, when I took them to the bootfitter
he said that he could grind/stretch the parts that were problematic,
but he also said that I might need custom insoles. The thing is, as
soon as he starts grinding and stretching them, I can't get rid of the
boots, they've been hacked, they're mine. I don't want this to turn
into a $180 ebay boot with $1500 in modifications, that would kind of
defeat the purpose.

The other thing is, I called tuesday to make an appointment, having
just been in on saturday to have the boots looked at. I spoke to paul
on the phone, who is the same person that fitted me on saturday, but he
didn't remember who I was. This makes me a bit nervous, since it
implies to me that he didn't really take a good look at my boot before
telling me that it was the right size for me. OTOH Feet First comes
highly recommended to me as one of the best bootfitters in the country,
so if Paul tells me that these are the right size boot for me, who am I
to argue?

I'm really on the fence about it, still looking at those L10s. The
other thing is, the L10s *look* like my X9s, these 130lfs are a tiny
little boot with a low rise, seem like an entirely different boot to
me.

[VtSkier]

lal_truckee wrote:
> honclfibr wrote:
>
>> I don't want this to turn
>> into a $180 ebay boot with $1500 in modifications
>
>
> That should have been your first consideration, long before considering
> ebay.

And it doesn't need to be a consideration at all.

A place like surefoot charges x-dollars for their
main product and fitting. They also guarantee their
fitting as long as they agree that you have the
correct shell size.

That last may be the sticker. If, as you say, your
toes ball up into a painful knot, you may not have
the correct shell size.

As others also pointed out, there is a limit to how
much a boot can be stretched, though I've seen a toe
blown out so much that Salomon driver bindings wouldn't
fit correctly and the owner had to buy Markers which
don't ride up on the boot toe so much, in order to get
consistent release function.

Personally I think you have bought an all-out racing
boot and that you are bound for pain as long as you
have it. I'd go for a boot which may well be as stiff,
if that's what you want, but has a cushier liner.

VtSkier

[lal_truckee]

honclfibr wrote:
> I don't want this to turn
> into a $180 ebay boot with $1500 in modifications

That should have been your first consideration, long before considering
ebay.

[ant]

"honclfibr" > wrote in message

> so if Paul tells me that these are the right size boot for me, who am I
> to argue?

size is one thing, fit to your foot and ankle are another. If the boots are
totally the wrong shape, then all that work will cost a lot and leave you
with frustrating boots that never fit right. I had the same thing with my
old salomons. You have to start with a boot that fits, or almost fits, and
the mods are just fine tuning, not major surgery.

ant

[ant]

"VtSkier" > wrote in message
...

> As others also pointed out, there is a limit to how
> much a boot can be stretched, though I've seen a toe
> blown out so much that Salomon driver bindings wouldn't
> fit correctly and the owner had to buy Markers which
> don't ride up on the boot toe so much, in order to get
> consistent release function.

My atomics are almost at that point! They are the widebodies, and came with
a very square, aggressive toe. I had the right one pushed out a bit more, as
my toenail went black, and the bulge just clears the toepiece of the ski
binding, it actually goes over it.

ant

[VtSkier]

ant wrote:
> "VtSkier" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>As others also pointed out, there is a limit to how
>>much a boot can be stretched, though I've seen a toe
>>blown out so much that Salomon driver bindings wouldn't
>>fit correctly and the owner had to buy Markers which
>>don't ride up on the boot toe so much, in order to get
>>consistent release function.
>
>
> My atomics are almost at that point! They are the widebodies, and came with
> a very square, aggressive toe. I had the right one pushed out a bit more, as
> my toenail went black, and the bulge just clears the toepiece of the ski
> binding, it actually goes over it.
>
> ant
>
>
Ant,
Repeat after me:
"Before skiing in the autumn and every week thereafter, I
will cut my toenails as short as I can get them. Preferably
to a point where the front of my toe is well beyond the front
edge of the nail."

VtSkier

[Jim Strohm]

I should probably start a new thread for this one, but -- my current
main squeeze has this boot-fitting problem -- ample calves. That would
necessitate either a very low-top boot for her, or a very wide-top boot.
She has normal shaped feet, so that won't be a fitting issue.

Suggestions?

I tailed this msg. onto one of yours, ant, because I know you've faced
this dilemma before.

The solution probably won't be realized and utilized until the 2005-2006
ski season, but we'd like to be ready to drive all night if the right
opportunity presented itself. Tao- er, Yyyy is only 11 hours drive
time away on clear roads; Tahoe is only 23 hours away.

With that in mind, life is too short to spend a day at the hill with the
bootfitter when there are moguls to be razed and yards to be saled.


Right now I'm thinking about the shrubbery runs off of Skyline at
Heavenly. Imagine tree skiing where your face shots are literally
taller than the trees you're skiing through.

That's worth $60 a day and a dollar gas. And first tracks any which way
you turn. Plus, nobody can see you crash.


Hint: drop in from the top of Sky Express, not Dipper Express. In
average snow condx, the tree bowl between Sky and Dipper is a lot better
on the Sky side.

[Mary Malmros]

Jim Strohm wrote:

> I should probably start a new thread for this one, but -- my current
> main squeeze has this boot-fitting problem -- ample calves.

Common women's problem. Tell her to look for a women's boot.

--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

[bruno invalid@yahoo.com]

In article >,
Jim Strohm > writes:
> Suggestions?

She could wear high heels all the time. That should cure the problem in
time for the 05-06 season...

bruno.

[ant]

"VtSkier" > wrote in message
...
> Ant,
> Repeat after me:
> "Before skiing in the autumn and every week thereafter, I
> will cut my toenails as short as I can get them. Preferably
> to a point where the front of my toe is well beyond the front
> edge of the nail."

yeah, I do that. They still go black. I have 2/3 orthotics, and they slide,
and that seems to exacerbate it. My ankles are too thin too, and that allows
too much movement. Boot makers can't conceptualise that a wide foot doens't
mean a fat ankle. Padding only does so much.
I had one toenail half grown back, and it went black on a particularly bad
day, it was nowhere near the end of the toe. I haven't had proper big
toenails in years.

ant

[ant]

"Jim Strohm" > wrote in message
...
>I should probably start a new thread for this one, but -- my current main
>squeeze has this boot-fitting problem -- ample calves. That would
>necessitate either a very low-top boot for her, or a very wide-top boot.
>She has normal shaped feet, so that won't be a fitting issue.


women's boots. Most women have a big, low calf, and need boots with a lower
and maybe wider shaft. Don't bother with Technicas! even their women's ones
are useless for women with a big calf.
Any decent rental shop will have women's boots for women with women's
calves.
You can further tweak them by moving the top buckle, and most good women's
boots have this adjustment.

ant

[Mary Malmros]

ant wrote:

> "VtSkier" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Ant,
>>Repeat after me:
>>"Before skiing in the autumn and every week thereafter, I
>>will cut my toenails as short as I can get them. Preferably
>>to a point where the front of my toe is well beyond the front
>>edge of the nail."
>
>
> yeah, I do that. They still go black. I have 2/3 orthotics, and they slide,
> and that seems to exacerbate it.

Aaaah, yeah. I've only once had a toenail go black, and it was exactly
this that caused it: I just had my buckles way too loose, and I was
sliding around, and...well, you know the rest.

> My ankles are too thin too, and that allows
> too much movement. Boot makers can't conceptualise that a wide foot doens't
> mean a fat ankle. Padding only does so much.

Hmm. What's your boot brand? I like the way Langes hug my ankle and
heel.

--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

[VtSkier]

ant wrote:
> "VtSkier" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Ant,
>>Repeat after me:
>>"Before skiing in the autumn and every week thereafter, I
>>will cut my toenails as short as I can get them. Preferably
>>to a point where the front of my toe is well beyond the front
>>edge of the nail."
>
>
> yeah, I do that. They still go black. I have 2/3 orthotics, and they slide,
> and that seems to exacerbate it. My ankles are too thin too, and that allows
> too much movement. Boot makers can't conceptualise that a wide foot doens't
> mean a fat ankle. Padding only does so much.
> I had one toenail half grown back, and it went black on a particularly bad
> day, it was nowhere near the end of the toe. I haven't had proper big
> toenails in years.
>
> ant
>
>
Jeez, with a problem like that, I might opt to have the
growing part of my toenail removed. Seems like a bitch
to have constant damage.

[lal_truckee]

ant wrote:
> "VtSkier" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Ant,
>>Repeat after me:
>>"Before skiing in the autumn and every week thereafter, I
>>will cut my toenails as short as I can get them. Preferably
>>to a point where the front of my toe is well beyond the front
>>edge of the nail."
>
>
> yeah, I do that. They still go black. I have 2/3 orthotics, and they slide,
> and that seems to exacerbate it. My ankles are too thin too, and that allows
> too much movement. Boot makers can't conceptualise that a wide foot doens't
> mean a fat ankle. Padding only does so much.
> I had one toenail half grown back, and it went black on a particularly bad
> day, it was nowhere near the end of the toe. I haven't had proper big
> toenails in years.

So take advantage of it - I used to have a set of 3x5 cards on my office
wall, each with a mounted big toe nail and the date I popped it off;
scared off dozens of wusses who thought they needed to bother me when I
was trying to get some work done.

[Wayne Decker]

Guess I don't understand. I don't have any such problem. I keep my
toenails clipped anyway--straight accross just like the Boy Scout Field
Manual suggests. I have full SureFoot orthotics that I won't ski a day
without--which don't slide forward. I have great Nordica boots with roomy
toeboxes but which grab my foot just in the right place to keep my feet
from EVER hitting the front of my boots--which might happen if I didnt stay
forward and keep my heals levered back into place in the heal of my boot. I
have a bone spur on the inside of my left foot--so I had the boot tech put a
special stretcher in there and heat my left boot so that it would accomodate
the spur. (much cheaper than surgury). My boots are actually much more comfy
than my walking shoes. I could only wish that others had similar fits.

--
I ski, therefore I am

"lal_truckee" > wrote in message
...
> ant wrote:
> > "VtSkier" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Ant,
> >>Repeat after me:
> >>"Before skiing in the autumn and every week thereafter, I
> >>will cut my toenails as short as I can get them. Preferably
> >>to a point where the front of my toe is well beyond the front
> >>edge of the nail."
> >
> >
> > yeah, I do that. They still go black. I have 2/3 orthotics, and they
slide,
> > and that seems to exacerbate it. My ankles are too thin too, and that
allows
> > too much movement. Boot makers can't conceptualise that a wide foot
doens't
> > mean a fat ankle. Padding only does so much.
> > I had one toenail half grown back, and it went black on a particularly
bad
> > day, it was nowhere near the end of the toe. I haven't had proper big
> > toenails in years.
>
> So take advantage of it - I used to have a set of 3x5 cards on my office
> wall, each with a mounted big toe nail and the date I popped it off;
> scared off dozens of wusses who thought they needed to bother me when I
> was trying to get some work done.

[The Real Bev]

Wayne Decker wrote:
>
> Guess I don't understand. I don't have any such problem. I keep my
> toenails clipped anyway--straight accross just like the Boy Scout Field
> Manual suggests. I have full SureFoot orthotics that I won't ski a day
> without--which don't slide forward. I have great Nordica boots with roomy
> toeboxes but which grab my foot just in the right place to keep my feet
> from EVER hitting the front of my boots--which might happen if I didnt stay
> forward and keep my heals levered back into place in the heal of my boot. I
> have a bone spur on the inside of my left foot--so I had the boot tech put a
> special stretcher in there and heat my left boot so that it would accomodate
> the spur. (much cheaper than surgury). My boots are actually much more comfy
> than my walking shoes. I could only wish that others had similar fits.

You sold your soul to the devil and all you got was perfect ski boots?

--
Cheers,
Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Save the whales for dessert

[lal_truckee]

Wayne Decker wrote:
> Guess I don't understand. I don't have any such problem.

Weeel now, it hasn't happened for, ummm, 3 decades now, but the mounted
toenail wall hangings still served their purpose...

Remember leather ski boots?

[jobewan]

Hey Mikey,

You should be able to have the liners re-shaped up to 6 times. And
don't forget to put a toe cap on when shaping to provide extra space
for toe warmth (or a warming pad).

The FORCE .... if at first you don't succeed its still there fo-ya
jobewan

[ant]

"VtSkier" > wrote in message
...
> ant wrote:
>> "VtSkier" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Ant,
>>>Repeat after me:
>>>"Before skiing in the autumn and every week thereafter, I
>>>will cut my toenails as short as I can get them. Preferably
>>>to a point where the front of my toe is well beyond the front
>>>edge of the nail."
>>
>>
>> yeah, I do that. They still go black. I have 2/3 orthotics, and they
>> slide, and that seems to exacerbate it. My ankles are too thin too, and
>> that allows too much movement. Boot makers can't conceptualise that a
>> wide foot doens't mean a fat ankle. Padding only does so much.
>> I had one toenail half grown back, and it went black on a particularly
>> bad day, it was nowhere near the end of the toe. I haven't had proper
>> big toenails in years.
>>
>> ant
> Jeez, with a problem like that, I might opt to have the
> growing part of my toenail removed. Seems like a bitch
> to have constant damage.

You get used to it. Actually they aren't black at the moment, they're red!
Hurts if I stub them on anything quite a lot. then they calm down and go
black.
My current boots are great, they fit better than anything before, tiny
heels, small ankle and very wide forefoot. I guess my feet are just a weird
shape. When I remember, I paint a bit of Dr Scholl toenail softener on them,
that helps a lot.

ant

[ant]

"Wayne Decker" > wrote in message
m...
> Guess I don't understand. I don't have any such problem. I keep my
> toenails clipped anyway--straight accross just like the Boy Scout Field
> Manual suggests. I have full SureFoot orthotics that I won't ski a day
> without--which don't slide forward.

I used to have some of those. They are NOT orthotics. They are footbeds.
They sell them as orthotics, and they should not. I have chronic achilles
tendonitis, and my real orthotic keeps me mobile, it also improves my
balance massively. And I still got black toes before I had them and used
expensive ski-specific footbeds.

> I have great Nordica boots with roomy
> toeboxes but which grab my foot just in the right place to keep my feet
> from EVER hitting the front of my boots--which might happen if I didnt
> stay
> forward and keep my heals levered back into place in the heal of my boot.

My coach would have my hide if I levered my foot like that. For those of us
who earn a living from this sport, skiing like that is a huge no-no.
Skiing groomers the foot doesn't move; on bumps and good deep fresh, it
often does. I ski a lot of the latter.

I've had custom fitted, foamed, stretched, padded and fiddled-with boots for
years. Sadly, not all feet and legs are accommodated by boot manufacturers.

ant

[ant]

"lal_truckee" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne Decker wrote:
>> Guess I don't understand. I don't have any such problem.
>
> Weeel now, it hasn't happened for, ummm, 3 decades now, but the mounted
> toenail wall hangings still served their purpose...
>
> Remember leather ski boots?

Yes! I put my mother in my new boots, and she was stunned by how comfy they
were. She stopped skiing before plastic padded boots came in.

ant

[Wayne Decker]

I still have mine hanging in the shed!

--
I ski, therefore I am
"ant" > wrote in message
...
>
> "lal_truckee" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Wayne Decker wrote:
> >> Guess I don't understand. I don't have any such problem.
> >
> > Weeel now, it hasn't happened for, ummm, 3 decades now, but the mounted
> > toenail wall hangings still served their purpose...
> >
> > Remember leather ski boots?
>
> Yes! I put my mother in my new boots, and she was stunned by how comfy
they
> were. She stopped skiing before plastic padded boots came in.
>
> ant
>
>

[rosco]

ant wrote:

> "lal_truckee" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Wayne Decker wrote:
>>
>>> Guess I don't understand. I don't have any such problem.
>>
>>Weeel now, it hasn't happened for, ummm, 3 decades now, but the mounted
>>toenail wall hangings still served their purpose...
>>
>>Remember leather ski boots?
>
>
> Yes! I put my mother in my new boots, and she was stunned by how comfy they
> were. She stopped skiing before plastic padded boots came in.
>
> ant
>

My wife still skis leather teles with a removable liner that doubles as
a camp boot. She only wears it with old-style skinny teles (some of the
first with metal edges), but they look mighty comfy in camp. As I tell
her, though, you don't ski in camp.

RAC

[ant]

"rosco" > wrote in message
> My wife still skis leather teles with a removable liner that doubles as a
> camp boot. She only wears it with old-style skinny teles (some of the
> first with metal edges), but they look mighty comfy in camp. As I tell
> her, though, you don't ski in camp.

I have a pair of those! only the soles are too twisty for tele. They are
italian, and the inners are works of art, little soft leather shoes.

ant

[rosco]

ant wrote:

> "rosco" > wrote in message
>
>>My wife still skis leather teles with a removable liner that doubles as a
>>camp boot. She only wears it with old-style skinny teles (some of the
>>first with metal edges), but they look mighty comfy in camp. As I tell
>>her, though, you don't ski in camp.
>
>
> I have a pair of those! only the soles are too twisty for tele. They are
> italian, and the inners are works of art, little soft leather shoes.
>
> ant
>

She does a pretty tele turn on them still. She does well with the new
gear, too, but claims she prefers the old stuff. Go figure.

RAC