Knee integrity

[Yabahoobs]

Curious how you ol' cats keep the knees in tip-top skiin' shape.

(This threads for you Gonar)

[Gonar the Incontinent]

On Nov 8, 10:06*pm, Yabahoobs > wrote:
> Curious how you ol' cats keep the knees in tip-top skiin' shape.
>
> (This threads for you Gonar)

Tanks. I use glucosamine, yoga (though not necessarily for my knees),
and a steady workout schedule to keep my joints strong.

I also make it a point to always fall forwards when skiing. And I
don't do huge air. Except when I fart.

[RogueIT]

> Tanks. I use glucosamine, yoga (though not necessarily for my knees),
> and a steady workout schedule to keep my joints strong.
>
> I also make it a point to always fall forwards when skiing. And I
> don't do huge air. Except when I fart.

what yoga moves target the knees?

[pigo[_2_]]

On Nov 8, 11:06*pm, Yabahoobs > wrote:
> Curious how you ol' cats keep the knees in tip-top skiin' shape.
>
> (This threads for you Gonar)

I just skied them into shape. At 55 they hurt like hell sometimes now
but I don't know if there was anything I could do about that. I
tweeked them a couple of times but never got a serious injury. I skied
with my bindings on 10.5 and skied pretty much everything, all the
time.

[The Real Bev[_4_]]

pigo wrote:

> On Nov 8, 11:06 pm, Yabahoobs > wrote:
>> Curious how you ol' cats keep the knees in tip-top skiin' shape.
>>
>> (This threads for you Gonar)
>
> I just skied them into shape. At 55 they hurt like hell sometimes now
> but I don't know if there was anything I could do about that. I
> tweeked them a couple of times but never got a serious injury. I skied
> with my bindings on 10.5 and skied pretty much everything, all the
> time.

I set mine to 4.5 and broke ribs by falling on one of them. Not fair.

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Cheers, Bev
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[VtSkier[_3_]]

Yabahoobs wrote:
> Curious how you ol' cats keep the knees in tip-top skiin' shape.
>
> (This threads for you Gonar)

My knees are NOT in tip-top shape. One is
missing an ACL (mountain biking) and the
other has some meniscus damage. In an x-ray
it looks like bone-on bone but next to no
arthritis. The key is keeping leg muscles
honed so they can take up the slack the
(67 year old) knees need to function.

[Evojeesus]

On Nov 9, 11:28*pm, VtSkier > wrote:

> The key is keeping leg muscles
> honed so they can take up the slack the
> (67 year old) knees need to function.

Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)

[nogodforme]

On Nov 9, 6:27 pm, Evojeesus > wrote:
> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>
> > The key is keeping leg muscles
> > honed so they can take up the slack the
> > (67 year old) knees need to function.
>
> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)

Bike riding.
Cable water skiing (I live in South Florida)
Squats

Went jogging last week and popped my right knee. Had an MRI done,
waiting for the results. This has me bummed. I need to work out but
my knee is still sore.
I'm going to Park City December 5th. No more running for me.
I'll stick to bike riding and cable water skiing.

[Bob F]

nogodforme wrote:
> On Nov 9, 6:27 pm, Evojeesus > wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>>
>>> The key is keeping leg muscles
>>> honed so they can take up the slack the
>>> (67 year old) knees need to function.
>>
>> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)
>
> Bike riding.
> Cable water skiing (I live in South Florida)
> Squats
>
> Went jogging last week and popped my right knee. Had an MRI done,
> waiting for the results. This has me bummed. I need to work out but
> my knee is still sore.
> I'm going to Park City December 5th. No more running for me.
> I'll stick to bike riding and cable water skiing.

What is cable water skiing"?

[Bob F]

The Real Bev wrote:
> Bob F wrote:
>
>> nogodforme wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 6:27 pm, Evojeesus > wrote:
>>>> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The key is keeping leg muscles
>>>>> honed so they can take up the slack the
>>>>> (67 year old) knees need to function.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)
>>>
>>> Bike riding.
>>> Cable water skiing (I live in South Florida)
>>> Squats
>>>
>>> Went jogging last week and popped my right knee. Had an MRI done,
>>> waiting for the results. This has me bummed. I need to work out
>>> but my knee is still sore.
>>> I'm going to Park City December 5th. No more running for me.
>>> I'll stick to bike riding and cable water skiing.
>>
>> What is cable water skiing"?
>
> Watching it on TV?

LOL! Thanks.

[VtSkier[_3_]]

Evojeesus wrote:
> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>
>> The key is keeping leg muscles
>> honed so they can take up the slack the
>> (67 year old) knees need to function.
>
> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)

It'll be a while yet before I consider
such a crutch. However, if they assist
me in skiing the OMG steep icy crap we
have around here, I might bite.

But not yet.

[VtSkier[_3_]]

The Real Bev wrote:
> Bob F wrote:
>
>> nogodforme wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 6:27 pm, Evojeesus > wrote:
>>>> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The key is keeping leg muscles
>>>>> honed so they can take up the slack the
>>>>> (67 year old) knees need to function.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)
>>>
>>> Bike riding.
>>> Cable water skiing (I live in South Florida)
>>> Squats
>>>
>>> Went jogging last week and popped my right knee. Had an MRI done,
>>> waiting for the results. This has me bummed. I need to work out but
>>> my knee is still sore.
>>> I'm going to Park City December 5th. No more running for me.
>>> I'll stick to bike riding and cable water skiing.
>>
>> What is cable water skiing"?
>
> Watching it on TV?
>
Nice!! Now you owe me a keyboard.

[lal_truckee]

pigo wrote:
>
> I just skied them into shape. At 55 they hurt like hell sometimes now
> but I don't know if there was anything I could do about that.

Youngster ...

[Walt]

VtSkier wrote:

> It'll be a while yet before I consider
> such a crutch. However, if they assist
> me in skiing the OMG steep icy crap we
> have around here, I might bite.


Feh. It's not ice unless it's clear enough to see a fish through it.

//Walt

[Gonar the Incontinent]

On Nov 9, 4:14*pm, The Real Bev > wrote:
> Bob F wrote:
> > nogodforme wrote:
> >> On Nov 9, 6:27 pm, Evojeesus > wrote:
> >>> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>
> >>>> The key is keeping leg muscles
> >>>> honed so they can take up the slack the
> >>>> (67 year old) knees need to function.
>
> >>> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)
>
> >> Bike riding.
> >> Cable water skiing (I live in South Florida)
> >> Squats
>
> >> Went jogging last week and popped my right knee. * *Had an MRI done,
> >> waiting for the results. * This has me bummed. *I need to work out but
> >> my knee is still sore.
> >> I'm going to Park City December 5th. * * No more running for me.
> >> I'll stick to bike riding and cable water skiing.
>
> > What is cable water skiing"?
>
> Watching it on TV?
>
Nice. But I think he's talking about water skiing wherein you use an
overhead cable system to pull you across the water. I have seen
pictures of such things, but never tried it. I do my waterskiing the
old school way.

[Gonar the Incontinent]

On Nov 9, 5:25*am, RogueIT > wrote:
> > Tanks. *I use glucosamine, yoga (though not necessarily for my knees),
> > and a steady workout schedule to keep my joints strong.
>
> > I also make it a point to always fall forwards when skiing. And I
> > don't do huge air. Except when I fart.
>
> what yoga moves target the knees?

Yoga moves don't target the knees, but if done correctly don't put the
knees in a compromised position. I use it mostly to keep limber, as
tightness in my hamstrings, et. al. leads to unnecessary stresses on
the rest of me.

[Bob F]

The Real Bev wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>
>> VtSkier wrote:
>>
>>> It'll be a while yet before I consider
>>> such a crutch. However, if they assist
>>> me in skiing the OMG steep icy crap we
>>> have around here, I might bite.
>>
>>
>> Feh. It's not ice unless it's clear enough to see a fish through it.
>
> We westerners aren't that picky. It's not ice if you can push it out
> of the way.

When I was back east, ice was something you could see through 4 inches of.

[Bob F]

VtSkier wrote:
> Evojeesus wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>>
>>> The key is keeping leg muscles
>>> honed so they can take up the slack the
>>> (67 year old) knees need to function.
>>
>> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)
>
> It'll be a while yet before I consider
> such a crutch. However, if they assist
> me in skiing the OMG steep icy crap we
> have around here, I might bite.
>
> But not yet.

Do you think they would make me be able to jump in volleyball? Maybe I'm
interested.

[BrritSki]

Bob F wrote:
> nogodforme wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 6:27 pm, Evojeesus > wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The key is keeping leg muscles
>>>> honed so they can take up the slack the
>>>> (67 year old) knees need to function.
>>> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)
>> Bike riding.
>> Cable water skiing (I live in South Florida)
>> Squats
>>
>> Went jogging last week and popped my right knee. Had an MRI done,
>> waiting for the results. This has me bummed. I need to work out but
>> my knee is still sore.
>> I'm going to Park City December 5th. No more running for me.
>> I'll stick to bike riding and cable water skiing.
>
> What is cable water skiing"?
>
>
A lake with a big cable running round it a few metres above the surface.
Dangling down from this is a rope that the water skier hangs on to while
s/he is dragged round the lake. A bit like a horizontal button lift...

[NoGodForMe[_2_]]

> I'll stick to bike riding and cable water skiing.
>
> > What is cable water skiing"?
>
> A lake with a big cable running round it a few metres above the surface.
> Dangling down from this is a rope that the water skier hangs on to while
> s/he is dragged round the lake. A bit like a horizontal button lift...

Correct. Here's the web site of the place I visit.
http://www.skirixenusa.com/

Google the term "Cable Water Skiing" and you can find web sites and
search YouTube videos of people doing it.
Here's a nice video of a place in Australia. You can see how it's
done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DdsBeS4v_4

Wakeboarding and regular water skiing has the same feeling of what is
found on snow. Just that you're moving along a flat surface (water)
instead of down a hill. Works the quads really good, mine burn
after a visit to Quiet Waters. We're lucky down here in South
Florida, temps are still in the 80s and the water is warm. I plan on
going to Quiet Waters this weekend to test my knee.

[pigo[_2_]]

On Nov 9, 7:48*pm, lal_truckee > wrote:
> pigo wrote:
>
> > I just skied them into shape. At 55 they hurt like hell sometimes now
> > but I don't know if there was anything I could do about that.
>
> Youngster ...

hehehehe

[pigo[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 7:49*am, NoGodForMe > wrote:

> Wakeboarding and regular water skiing has the same feeling of what is
> found on snow. *Just that you're moving along a flat surface (water)
> instead of down a hill. * *Works the quads really good, mine burn
> after a visit to Quiet Waters. * We're lucky down here in South
> Florida, temps are still in the 80s and the water is warm. * I plan on
> going to Quiet Waters this weekend to test my knee.

Are you kidding? IMO the only thing that they have in common is the
name. And waterskiing is much more difficult. There is no way I could
take as many water ski runs in a day as I could skiing. Water ski
speeds (for me) with the boat going 35 to 37 and approaching 70 on
turns are way higher. And also to me, mistakes hurt more.

[pigo[_2_]]

On Nov 8, 11:06*pm, Yabahoobs > wrote:
> Curious how you ol' cats keep the knees in tip-top skiin' shape.
>
> (This threads for you Gonar)

My knee has NO integrity. It says that if I like my doctor I can keep
him. If I like my health care plan I can keep it.

[VtSkier[_3_]]

Walt wrote:
> VtSkier wrote:
>
>> It'll be a while yet before I consider
>> such a crutch. However, if they assist
>> me in skiing the OMG steep icy crap we
>> have around here, I might bite.
>
>
> Feh. It's not ice unless it's clear enough to see a fish through it.
>
> //Walt

Yeah....?

[taichiskiing]

On Nov 9, 3:48 pm, nogodforme > wrote:
> On Nov 9, 6:27 pm, Evojeesus > wrote:
>
> > On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>
> > > The key is keeping leg muscles
> > > honed so they can take up the slack the
> > > (67 year old) knees need to function.
>
> > Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)
>
> Bike riding.
> Cable water skiing (I live in South Florida)
> Squats
>
> Went jogging last week and popped my right knee. Had an MRI done,
> waiting for the results. This has me bummed. I need to work out but
> my knee is still sore.
> I'm going to Park City December 5th. No more running for me.
> I'll stick to bike riding and cable water skiing.

For your knees, try knee rotation (@01:55) and hip rotation (@03:05)
and see if the knee pops back. To strengthen them/squats (@01:16), to
lubricate all your body joints, and to maintain your over all well-
being, try Shen style Taichi Qi-Gong,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeO9zWVRZSQ

Good luck, :)
IS

[Richard Henry]

On Nov 9, 9:00*pm, Gonar the Incontinent > wrote:
> On Nov 9, 4:14*pm, The Real Bev > wrote:
>
> > Bob F wrote:
> > > nogodforme wrote:
> > >> On Nov 9, 6:27 pm, Evojeesus > wrote:
> > >>> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>
> > >>>> The key is keeping leg muscles
> > >>>> honed so they can take up the slack the
> > >>>> (67 year old) knees need to function.
>
> > >>> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)
>
> > >> Bike riding.
> > >> Cable water skiing (I live in South Florida)
> > >> Squats
>
> > >> Went jogging last week and popped my right knee. * *Had an MRI done,
> > >> waiting for the results. * This has me bummed. *I need to work out but
> > >> my knee is still sore.
> > >> I'm going to Park City December 5th. * * No more running for me.
> > >> I'll stick to bike riding and cable water skiing.
>
> > > What is cable water skiing"?
>
> > Watching it on TV?
>
> Nice. But I think he's talking about water skiing wherein you use an
> overhead cable system to pull you across the water. *I have seen
> pictures of such things, but never tried it. *I do my waterskiing the
> old school way.

What the difference between being dragged through the water on a rope
and being dragged through the water on a rope?

[pigo[_2_]]

On Nov 10, 7:30*pm, Richard Henry > wrote:

> What the difference between being dragged through the water on a rope
> and being dragged through the water on a rope?- Hide quoted text -

In the first case you are being dragged through the water on a rope.
In the second you are in the water being dragged by a rope. Too bad
it's not available in all 57 states.

[Richard Henry]

On Nov 9, 9:23*pm, The Real Bev > wrote:
> Gonar the Incontinent wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 4:14 pm, The Real Bev > wrote:
> >> Bob F wrote:
> >> > nogodforme wrote:
> >> >> On Nov 9, 6:27 pm, Evojeesus > wrote:
> >> >>> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>
> >> >>>> The key is keeping leg muscles
> >> >>>> honed so they can take up the slack the
> >> >>>> (67 year old) knees need to function.
>
> >> >>> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)
>
> >> >> Bike riding.
> >> >> Cable water skiing (I live in South Florida)
> >> >> Squats
>
> >> >> Went jogging last week and popped my right knee. * *Had an MRI done,
> >> >> waiting for the results. * This has me bummed. *I need to work out but
> >> >> my knee is still sore.
> >> >> I'm going to Park City December 5th. * * No more running for me..
> >> >> I'll stick to bike riding and cable water skiing.
>
> >> > What is cable water skiing"?
>
> >> Watching it on TV?
>
> > Nice. But I think he's talking about water skiing wherein you use an
> > overhead cable system to pull you across the water. *I have seen
> > pictures of such things, but never tried it.
>
> That's about as silly as having some sort of mechanism to pull skiers up to the
> top of the hill just so they can slide down again.

I was thinking that it was about as silly as having a a mechanism to
pull a skier down the hill.

[The Real Bev[_4_]]

Richard Henry wrote:

> On Nov 9, 9:23 pm, The Real Bev > wrote:
>> Gonar the Incontinent wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 4:14 pm, The Real Bev > wrote:
>>>> Bob F wrote:
>>>>> nogodforme wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 9, 6:27 pm, Evojeesus > wrote:
>>>>>>> On Nov 9, 11:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> The key is keeping leg muscles honed so they can take up the
>>>>>>>> slack the (67 year old) knees need to function.

My knees are older than that and they work fine. It's the thigh and calf
muscles that cause problems :-(

>>>>>>> Absolutely...I think you're going to love them exoskeletons :)

Me too.

>>>>>> Bike riding.

Good, but not good enough.

>>>>>> Cable water skiing (I live in South Florida) Squats
>>
>>>>>> Went jogging last week and popped my right knee. Had an MRI
>>>>>> done, waiting for the results. This has me bummed. I need to
>>>>>> work out but my knee is still sore. I'm going to Park City
>>>>>> December 5th. No more running for me. I'll stick to bike
>>>>>> riding and cable water skiing.
>>
>>>>> What is cable water skiing"?
>>
>>>> Watching it on TV?
>>
>>> Nice. But I think he's talking about water skiing wherein you use an
>>> overhead cable system to pull you across the water. I have seen
>>> pictures of such things, but never tried it.
>>
>> That's about as silly as having some sort of mechanism to pull skiers up
>> to the top of the hill just so they can slide down again.
>
> I was thinking that it was about as silly as having a a mechanism to pull a
> skier down the hill.

That's even sillier, gravity already does that job for free. If you rely on
gravity to pull a water-skier anywhere it will be to the bottom of the lake. Duh.

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[Walt]

Richard Henry wrote:
>> That's about as silly as having some sort of mechanism to pull skiers up to the
>> top of the hill just so they can slide down again.
>
> I was thinking that it was about as silly as having a a mechanism to
> pull a skier down the hill.

I don't think a Ski patroller pulling a sled is all that silly.

Maybe I just don't have a sense of humor...

//Walt

//....in that case WTF am I doing here....?

[VtSkier[_3_]]

Walt wrote:
> Richard Henry wrote:
>>> That's about as silly as having some sort of mechanism to pull skiers
>>> up to the
>>> top of the hill just so they can slide down again.
>>
>> I was thinking that it was about as silly as having a a mechanism to
>> pull a skier down the hill.
>
> I don't think a Ski patroller pulling a sled is all that silly.
>
> Maybe I just don't have a sense of humor...
>
> //Walt
>
> //....in that case WTF am I doing here....?

So, Walt, you really think the ski patroller
PULLS the sled? Don't you believe a word of
it. The sled PUSHES the ski patroller and it's
the patroller's job to keep the sled from
attaining escape velocity and out of the
weeds.

Oh, yeah, the patroller does sometimes have
to pull the thing across a flat. I've helped
with that from time to time and if the pull
is to be protracted, a snowmo is called.

[Walt]

VtSkier wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>> Richard Henry wrote:
>>>> That's about as silly as having some sort of mechanism to pull
>>>> skiers up to the
>>>> top of the hill just so they can slide down again.
>>>
>>> I was thinking that it was about as silly as having a a mechanism to
>>> pull a skier down the hill.
>>
>> I don't think a Ski patroller pulling a sled is all that silly.
>
> So, Walt, you really think the ski patroller
> PULLS the sled?

"Pulling" is figurative here. Although the patroller working the rope is
pulling on the sled even though he's pulling uphill.

//Walt

[Norm]

"VtSkier" > wrote in message
...
> Walt wrote:
>> VtSkier wrote:
>>> Walt wrote:
>>>> Richard Henry wrote:
>>>>>> That's about as silly as having some sort of mechanism to pull skiers
>>>>>> up to the
>>>>>> top of the hill just so they can slide down again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking that it was about as silly as having a a mechanism to
>>>>> pull a skier down the hill.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think a Ski patroller pulling a sled is all that silly.
>>>
>>> So, Walt, you really think the ski patroller
>>> PULLS the sled?
>>
>> "Pulling" is figurative here. Although the patroller working the rope is
>> pulling on the sled even though he's pulling uphill.
>>
>> //Walt
>>
>
> What rope? The only rope I've seen is a tail
> rope. The man being pushed is using handle
> bars. Stiff. To keep the sled from riding the
> tails of his skis. The guy with the tailrope
> (if any), yes, is pulling, but only to limit
> the 'push' of the sled against the man driving
> using the handlebars.

The primary job of the tailgunner is to help keep the toboggan going in a
straight line downhill. Going a little too fast can be fixed but a loaded
toboggan with its tail out of the fall line in steep terrain is a huge
problem. If the hill is steep enough that the lead guy is not able to
control his speed unaided he should be using a fixed belay.

[Walt]

VtSkier wrote:
> Walt wrote:

>> "Pulling" is figurative here. Although the patroller working the rope
>> is pulling on the sled even though he's pulling uphill.
>
> What rope?

The tail rope.


> The only rope I've seen is a tail
> rope.

Yep. That's the one.

> The guy with the tailrope
> (if any), yes, is pulling,

Uh huh. Now you seem to be getting it.

//Walt

[VtSkier[_3_]]

Walt wrote:
> VtSkier wrote:
>> Walt wrote:
>
>>> "Pulling" is figurative here. Although the patroller working the rope
>>> is pulling on the sled even though he's pulling uphill.
>>
>> What rope?
>
> The tail rope.
>
>
> > The only rope I've seen is a tail
>> rope.
>
> Yep. That's the one.
>
>> The guy with the tailrope
>> (if any), yes, is pulling,
>
> Uh huh. Now you seem to be getting it.
>
> //Walt

And, if you had been following this thread,
The guy in the back is supposed to be
keeping the damn thing going straight, not
really slowing down as I had maintained.

[Walt]

VtSkier wrote:
> And, if you had been following this thread,
> The guy in the back is supposed to be
> keeping the damn thing going straight, not
> really slowing down as I had maintained.

Yep.

Now about those bagpipes at funerals:

http://www.slate.com/id/2235462/

//Walt

[VtSkier[_3_]]

Walt wrote:
> VtSkier wrote:
>> And, if you had been following this thread,
>> The guy in the back is supposed to be
>> keeping the damn thing going straight, not
>> really slowing down as I had maintained.
>
> Yep.
>
> Now about those bagpipes at funerals:
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2235462/
>
> //Walt

Listen, my wife has instructions to have
a bagpiper at my funeral. Not only that,
but she is to have a tenor singing,
"Oh, Danny Boy".

[Walt]

VtSkier wrote:

>> Now about those bagpipes at funerals:
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/id/2235462/
>>

> Listen, my wife has instructions to have
> a bagpiper at my funeral. Not only that,
> but she is to have a tenor singing,
> "Oh, Danny Boy".

Sure, that's fine for you. You'll be dead and won't have to listen to
the din.

I guess that's why they play them at funerals - it makes you feel less
sad for the departed.

//

//"Daddy, there's an awful man outside. He's wearing a skirt and
torturing a cat by squeezing it under his arm."

[Richard Henry]

On Nov 12, 7:20*am, Walt > wrote:
> Richard Henry wrote:
> >> That's about as silly as having some sort of mechanism to pull skiers up to the
> >> top of the hill just so they can slide down again.
>
> > I was thinking that it was about as silly as having a a mechanism to
> > pull a skier down the hill.
>
> I don't think a Ski patroller pulling a sled is all that silly.
>
In most examples I have seen of that, the sled is pushing the
patroller.

[twobuddha[_2_]]

On Nov 14, 9:15*am, Walt > wrote:

>
> //"Daddy, there's an awful man outside. *He's wearing a skirt and
> torturing a cat by squeezing it under his arm."

Horvath visiting?

[twobuddha[_2_]]

On Nov 12, 7:55*pm, "Norm" > wrote:
> "VtSkier" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Walt wrote:
> >> VtSkier wrote:
> >>> Walt wrote:
> >>>> Richard Henry wrote:
> >>>>>> That's about as silly as having some sort of mechanism to pull skiers
> >>>>>> up to the
> >>>>>> top of the hill just so they can slide down again.
>
> >>>>> I was thinking that it was about as silly as having a a mechanism to
> >>>>> pull a skier down the hill.
>
> >>>> I don't think a Ski patroller pulling a sled is all that silly.
>
> >>> So, Walt, you really think the ski patroller
> >>> PULLS the sled?
>
> >> "Pulling" is figurative here. Although the patroller working the rope is
> >> pulling on the sled even though he's pulling uphill.
>
> >> //Walt
>
> > What rope? The only rope I've seen is a tail
> > rope. The man being pushed is using handle
> > bars. Stiff. To keep the sled from riding the
> > tails of his skis. The guy with the tailrope
> > (if any), yes, is pulling, but only to limit
> > the 'push' of the sled against the man driving
> > using the handlebars.
>
> The primary job of the tailgunner is to help keep the toboggan going in a
> straight line downhill. Going a little too fast can be fixed but a loaded
> toboggan with its tail out of the fall line in steep terrain is a huge
> problem. If the hill is steep enough that the lead guy is not able to
> control his speed unaided he should be using a fixed belay.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

At the risk of making a skiing related post:

Back in the early eighties, I learned to ski at Alpental. Niche area
outside of Seattle, caters to the backcountry and steep crowd.
The friend who talked me into trying skiing (yeah, they have a decent
bunny run) was a pro patroller there. Once I figured out how to
survive Upper International, Bob (really) found another use for me.
Sled dummy.
When they really, really wanted to play a joke on a trainee, they
would have me feign an injury at the top of some double diamond.
(Patrol director was always in on the game, and rewarded me with lift
tickets.)
At the time, I was a mere shadow of a man, only 230 lbs. Which is at
least fifty more than most skiers, who tend to be liddle ****s.
Patrollers can have a sick sense of humor (like dropping me off at the
top of Nash my second day on skis).
Bob warned me to NEVER keep the straps fastened, because if they lost
the sled, I didn't have a chance in hell. Not a problem with the
pros, but one of the weekend warriors crossed his tips, took a dive,
and lost the back end of the sled, which immediately swapped ends and
headed for the trees.
I bailed just in time: the sled broke in half.
Fortunately, in 25 years of skiing, I've never been in a sled for
real.

BTW, I keep my basketball knees functioning by staying out of the
bumps as much as possible. Put too much abuse on the cartilage
playing basketball and football, you pay for it later. (But they
function just fine, Wack Job Waldron).
Used to have to limit powder time due to the torsional stress, but fat
skis took care of that problem. As long as the underlying slope isn't
too bumped up.

[twobuddha[_2_]]

On Nov 13, 2:28*pm, VtSkier > wrote:
> Walt wrote:
> > VtSkier wrote:
> >> And, if you had been following this thread,
> >> The guy in the back is supposed to be
> >> keeping the damn thing going straight, not
> >> really slowing down as I had maintained.
>
> > Yep.
>
> > Now about those bagpipes at funerals:
>
> >http://www.slate.com/id/2235462/
>
> > //Walt
>
> Listen, my wife has instructions to have
> a bagpiper at my funeral. Not only that,
> but she is to have a tenor singing,
> "Oh, Danny Boy".

Sang Danny Boy last week at a funeral of a good friend's father, a
fine Irish man. Good skier, too.
I volunteer to sing at your funeral. Free.
Of course, I'd **** on the grave afterward. But you wouldn't care,
because even dead and six feet under, you'd still pee your funeral
suit at the mere thought of me being so near.

[VtSkier[_3_]]

twobuddha wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
>> Walt wrote:
>>> VtSkier wrote:
>>>> And, if you had been following this thread,
>>>> The guy in the back is supposed to be
>>>> keeping the damn thing going straight, not
>>>> really slowing down as I had maintained.
>>> Yep.
>>> Now about those bagpipes at funerals:
>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2235462/
>>> //Walt
>> Listen, my wife has instructions to have
>> a bagpiper at my funeral. Not only that,
>> but she is to have a tenor singing,
>> "Oh, Danny Boy".
>
> Sang Danny Boy last week at a funeral of a good friend's father, a
> fine Irish man. Good skier, too.
> I volunteer to sing at your funeral. Free.
> Of course, I'd **** on the grave afterward. But you wouldn't care,
> because even dead and six feet under, you'd still pee your funeral
> suit at the mere thought of me being so near.

You can **** on my grave all you want.
As you say I won't care.

On another note I thoroughly enjoyed
you post about being a sled dummy. I
see our guys working out all the time.
The only times I've been in a sled were
for real. Twice in almost 60 years of
skiing. Once with a broken foot in 1967
and once with an AC separation (shoulder)
in (IIRC) 2003.

[The Real Bev[_4_]]

VtSkier wrote:

> On another note I thoroughly enjoyed you post about being a sled dummy. I
> see our guys working out all the time. The only times I've been in a sled
> were for real. Twice in almost 60 years of skiing. Once with a broken foot
> in 1967 and once with an AC separation (shoulder) in (IIRC) 2003.

Hint: When asked, NEVER say you want to take the fast way down if you have
broken ribs :-(

--
Cheers, Bev
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo
"I read somewhere that 77 per cent of all the mentally ill live in
poverty. Actually, I'm more intrigued by the 23 per cent who are
apparently doing quite well for themselves." -- Emo Philips

[twobuddha[_2_]]

On Nov 14, 8:35*pm, VtSkier > wrote:
> twobuddha wrote:
> > On Nov 13, 2:28 pm, VtSkier > wrote:
> >> Walt wrote:
> >>> VtSkier wrote:
> >>>> And, if you had been following this thread,
> >>>> The guy in the back is supposed to be
> >>>> keeping the damn thing going straight, not
> >>>> really slowing down as I had maintained.
> >>> Yep.
> >>> Now about those bagpipes at funerals:
> >>>http://www.slate.com/id/2235462/
> >>> //Walt
> >> Listen, my wife has instructions to have
> >> a bagpiper at my funeral. Not only that,
> >> but she is to have a tenor singing,
> >> "Oh, Danny Boy".
>
> > Sang Danny Boy last week at a funeral of a good friend's father, a
> > fine Irish man. *Good skier, too.
> > I volunteer to sing at your funeral. *Free.
> > Of course, I'd **** on the grave afterward. *But you wouldn't care,
> > because even dead and six feet under, you'd still pee your funeral
> > suit at the mere thought of me being so near.
>
> You can **** on my grave all you want.
> As you say I won't care.

Yeah, but think of what your wife and friends will think when I do it
in front of them.
"The grave will warmer, sweeter be."

[Dave Cartman]

In article >,
Walt > wrote:

> VtSkier wrote:
>
> >> Now about those bagpipes at funerals:
> >>
> >> http://www.slate.com/id/2235462/
> >>
>
> > Listen, my wife has instructions to have
> > a bagpiper at my funeral. Not only that,
> > but she is to have a tenor singing,
> > "Oh, Danny Boy".
>
> Sure, that's fine for you. You'll be dead and won't have to listen to
> the din.
>
> I guess that's why they play them at funerals - it makes you feel less
> sad for the departed.

I had bagpipes at my wedding and it was AWESOME! The women cried and
the men stood straighter.

[VtSkier[_3_]]

Dave Cartman wrote:
> In article >,
> Walt > wrote:
>
>> VtSkier wrote:
>>
>>>> Now about those bagpipes at funerals:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2235462/
>>>>
>>> Listen, my wife has instructions to have
>>> a bagpiper at my funeral. Not only that,
>>> but she is to have a tenor singing,
>>> "Oh, Danny Boy".
>> Sure, that's fine for you. You'll be dead and won't have to listen to
>> the din.
>>
>> I guess that's why they play them at funerals - it makes you feel less
>> sad for the departed.
>
> I had bagpipes at my wedding and it was AWESOME! The women cried and
> the men stood straighter.

Ah, bagpipes. Such sweet music.

Great pipes are fine, but oh so much
sweeter are Uilleann pipes from Ireland.

[Walt]

VtSkier wrote:

>
> Ah, bagpipes. Such sweet music.
>
> Great pipes are fine, but oh so much
> sweeter are Uilleann pipes from Ireland.

Yes, they do sound better when heard from Ireland. Even better when
farther away, say China. I'll bet they sound best from the moon.


//Walt

[Walt]

The Real Bev wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>
>> VtSkier wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, bagpipes. Such sweet music.
>>>
>>> Great pipes are fine, but oh so much
>>> sweeter are Uilleann pipes from Ireland.
>>
>> Yes, they do sound better when heard from Ireland. Even better when
>> farther away, say China. I'll bet they sound best from the moon.
>
> Philistine! I bet you don't like banjo music either.
>

You just used "banjo" and "music" in the same sentence. I don't recall
those two terms ever being juxtaposed before.

//Walt

[VtSkier[_3_]]

Walt wrote:
> VtSkier wrote:
>
>>
>> Ah, bagpipes. Such sweet music.
>>
>> Great pipes are fine, but oh so much
>> sweeter are Uilleann pipes from Ireland.
>
> Yes, they do sound better when heard from Ireland. Even better when
> farther away, say China. I'll bet they sound best from the moon.
>
>
> //Walt

Ah, Walt,
I can see that you are not a corner sewer of
the finer things of life.
RW

[VtSkier[_3_]]

Walt wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Walt wrote:
>>
>>> VtSkier wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ah, bagpipes. Such sweet music.
>>>>
>>>> Great pipes are fine, but oh so much
>>>> sweeter are Uilleann pipes from Ireland.
>>>
>>> Yes, they do sound better when heard from Ireland. Even better when
>>> farther away, say China. I'll bet they sound best from the moon.
>>
>> Philistine! I bet you don't like banjo music either.
>>
>
> You just used "banjo" and "music" in the same sentence. I don't recall
> those two terms ever being juxtaposed before.
>
> //Walt
>

<Theme from 'Deliverance' plays>
Why, Walt, you "could" make some people unhappy
with you over your musical sensibilities.

[Walt]

The Real Bev wrote:
> VtSkier wrote:

>> Why, Walt, you "could" make some people unhappy
>> with you over your musical sensibilities.

Oh c'mon. Nobody likes banjos.

> He's probably a Guy Lombardo fan. My father liked Guy Lombardo.
>

Nah. But I do have a soft spot for David Soldier:
http://musicology.typepad.com/dialm/2008/04/you-want-postmo.html

Take a listen to this mp3:
http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/komar_melamid/KomarMelamid_The-Most-UnwantedSong.mp3

[VtSkier[_3_]]

Walt wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> VtSkier wrote:
>
>>> Why, Walt, you "could" make some people unhappy
>>> with you over your musical sensibilities.
>
> Oh c'mon. Nobody likes banjos.
>
>> He's probably a Guy Lombardo fan. My father liked Guy Lombardo.
>>
>
> Nah. But I do have a soft spot for David Soldier:
> http://musicology.typepad.com/dialm/2008/04/you-want-postmo.html
>
> Take a listen to this mp3:
> http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/komar_melamid/KomarMelamid_The-Most-UnwantedSong.mp3
>
With that metronome playing, this could have
been Sons of the Pioneers. The harp was nice
at the beginning.

Breaks into techno with terrible soprano.
I understand why nobody wants this.

I was only a quarter the way into it and I
had to switch it off.

[Walt]

VtSkier wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> VtSkier wrote:
>>
>>>> Why, Walt, you "could" make some people unhappy
>>>> with you over your musical sensibilities.
>>
>> Oh c'mon. Nobody likes banjos.
>>
>>> He's probably a Guy Lombardo fan. My father liked Guy Lombardo.
>>>
>>
>> Nah. But I do have a soft spot for David Soldier:
>> http://musicology.typepad.com/dialm/2008/04/you-want-postmo.html
>>
>> Take a listen to this mp3:
>> http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/komar_melamid/KomarMelamid_The-Most-UnwantedSong.mp3

> Breaks into techno with terrible soprano.
> I understand why nobody wants this.

You forgot to mention that the soprano is rapping about being a cowboy,
while the techno beat is played on a tuba. What's not to like about that?
//Walt

[A mighty Hungarian warrior]

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:48:33 -0500, VtSkier >
wrote this crap:

>Ah, bagpipes. Such sweet music.


Ah yes indeed. They sound just like car horns being played in stalled
traffic. Sweet music indeed, if you like the sound of annoyance.


Vote for Palin-Ahhnold in 2012.




A mighty Hungarian warrior
The blood of Attila runs through me

[twobuddha[_2_]]

On Nov 16, 3:19*pm, A mighty Hungarian >
wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:48:33 -0500, VtSkier >
> wrote this crap:
>
> >Ah, bagpipes. Such sweet music.
>
> Ah yes indeed. *They sound just like car horns being played in stalled
> traffic. *Sweet music indeed, if you like the sound of annoyance.

Geez, I feel the same way about Horvie's posts. Not bagpipes, mind
you, but the sound of annoyance.

[Walt]

The Real Bev wrote:
>
> I've discovered that listening to music by people I've never heard of is
> generally unpleasant. I blame it on the Beatles.

Who are "the Beatles"? Should I have heard of them or it or whatever?

[Walt]

The Real Bev wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>> I've discovered that listening to music by people I've never heard of
>>> is generally unpleasant. I blame it on the Beatles.
>>
>> Who are "the Beatles"? Should I have heard of them or it or whatever?
>
> Would that I could say the same.
>

Let me guess - is it a banjo band? Accordian?

//Walt

[The Real Bev[_4_]]

Walt wrote:

> The Real Bev wrote:
>> Walt wrote:
>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've discovered that listening to music by people I've never heard of
>>>> is generally unpleasant. I blame it on the Beatles.
>>>
>>> Who are "the Beatles"? Should I have heard of them or it or whatever?
>>
>> Would that I could say the same.
>
> Let me guess - is it a banjo band? Accordian?

Assh*le!

--
Cheers, Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
"The fact that windows is one of the most popular ways to
operate a computer means that evolution has made a general
****up and our race is doomed." -- Anon.

[VtSkier[_3_]]

The Real Bev wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> VtSkier wrote:
>>
>>>> Why, Walt, you "could" make some people unhappy
>>>> with you over your musical sensibilities.
>>
>> Oh c'mon. Nobody likes banjos.
>
> Ridiculous. For one thing, it's impossible to make somber banjo music.
> Well, maybe not impossible, but goddam difficult.

I believe this is the point of banjos.

>
>>> He's probably a Guy Lombardo fan. My father liked Guy Lombardo.
>>
>> Nah. But I do have a soft spot for David Soldier:
>> http://musicology.typepad.com/dialm/2008/04/you-want-postmo.html
>
> I've discovered that listening to music by people I've never heard of is
> generally unpleasant. I blame it on the Beatles.

good as anybody.

>
>> Take a listen to this mp3:
>> http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/komar_melamid/KomarMelamid_The-Most-UnwantedSong.mp3
>>
>
> Ferdie Grofe is rolling in his grave. If I'd listened for more than 15
> seconds would I have ended up liking it?

no
>

[VtSkier[_3_]]

The Real Bev wrote:
> Walt wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> Walt wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've discovered that listening to music by people I've never heard
>>>>> of is generally unpleasant. I blame it on the Beatles.
>>>>
>>>> Who are "the Beatles"? Should I have heard of them or it or whatever?
>>>
>>> Would that I could say the same.
>>
>> Let me guess - is it a banjo band? Accordian?
>
> Assh*le!
>

be nice.

[BrritSki]

Ted Waldron wrote:
>
> Anyway, why do you care what I observe, I am a crazy in your opinion.
> What is with the neurosis and paranoia?

You'd think he'd be too busy what with playing Cameron in Modern Family.

Good to see he has a job and has finally come out.

Here's a pic in his football uniform:
<http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3857288704/nm0832314>

[Dave Cartman]

In article >,
BrritSki > wrote:

> Ted Waldron wrote:
> >
> > Anyway, why do you care what I observe, I am a crazy in your opinion.
> > What is with the neurosis and paranoia?
>
> You'd think he'd be too busy what with playing Cameron in Modern Family.
>
> Good to see he has a job and has finally come out.
>
> Here's a pic in his football uniform:
> <http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3857288704/nm0832314>

Is that "Al Bundy" behind him? I LOVE that guy! He makes anything he's
in better. He's like the Archer Midland Daniels of acting.

[twobuddha[_2_]]

On Nov 20, 7:56*pm, Ted Waldron > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> *twobuddha > wrote:
> > BTW, I keep my basketball knees functioning by staying out of the
> > bumps as much as possible. *Put too much abuse on the cartilage
> > playing basketball and football, you pay for it later. *(But they
> > function just fine, Wack Job Waldron).
>
> * Um, you had the signs and symptoms of diabetic neuropathy,

Um, you have the signs of delusional insanity. Considering I am
frequently tested, and there is little neuropathy, methinks you not
only are projecting some sort of insane fantasy (Show the post, Ted)
but your brain has neuropathy.

> Scooter, I
> wasn't commenting on your knees. The slow walking gait, the sort of duck
> waddle, and improper foot placement, basically you have peripheral nerve
> to polyneuropathy .

I'd have been happy to waddle up to your dickless ass, freak, but you
didn't have the balls to even say hello.
Another delusion. A wack job who thinks he saw me walking and
apparently is more of an expert than my doctors.
Holy ****, freak, you really are nuts.


> * *It happens to people who don't control their diabetes or don't
> maintain their weight over a long period. * Diabetics with diabetic
> neuropathy have a distinct slower pace, and they place their feet
> differently because they can't feel them or they feel sharp pain putting
> pressure on their feet. *Also, they could have nerve damage to their leg
> muscles, which give the waddle effect.

My diabetes is under excellent control, thank you, and my weight has
been steady at about 240-250 for five years.
Looks like you have another delusion, freak. Sorta like when you lied
to the cops and a judge and categorically stated I had threatened you.
Show the post, freak.
>
> http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/DM/pubs/neuropathies/#what
>
> Anyway, why do you care what I observe, I am a crazy in your opinion.
> What is with the neurosis and paranoia?

Crazy in the opinion of a judge and a cop, too, wack job. What is
with your delusion that you are a medical professional?
And of course, what is with your Nutdicklesspathy?
We always knew you were a pathetic coward, freak. But to have claimed
to see me, in such horrible condition (delusions are truly
entertaining)
and be so cowardly, so craven that you don't even have the nads to
spew this **** in person......well, what do I expect from you?
Took a nice walk around Greenlake this afternoon. No pain, no
hobbling, certainly not a waddle.
Indeed, I'm certain YOU waddles after you saw me (which you didn't,
but delusions are powerful). People tend to waddle when they crap
their pants, coward.
Go back to ****ing yourself, you insane wack job.

[twobuddha[_2_]]

On Nov 20, 11:55*pm, BrritSki > wrote:
> Ted Waldron wrote:
>
> > Anyway, why do you care what I observe, I am a crazy in your opinion.
> > What is with the neurosis and paranoia?
>
> You'd think he'd be too busy what with playing Cameron in Modern Family.
>
> Good to see he has a job and has finally come out.
>
> Here's a pic in his football uniform:
> <http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3857288704/nm0832314>

Hate to tell you this, you dickless freak, but I don't own a single
item of football paraphenalia.
Another cheap shot from a pathetic coward who joined Ted Waldron in
committing felonies, lying to a cop and a judge, and hiding like
liddle bitches ever since.

[Stuart[_2_]]

About 50% of Canadians are Vit D defici
"Yabahoobs" > wrote in message
...
> Curious how you ol' cats keep the knees in tip-top skiin' shape.
>
> (This threads for you Gonar)

[nogodforme]

On Nov 28, 12:51 pm, "Stuart" > wrote:
> About 50% of Canadians are Vit D defici"Yabahoobs" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Curious how you ol' cats keep the knees in tip-top skiin' shape.
>
> > (This threads for you Gonar)

This thread got derailed. Anyway, I went to see 2 orthopedic
surgeons. My knee has a torn meniscus. Think of your finger nail
and what happens if you tear it. If the tear is sticking up, then
the knee locks. If it's flat then everything is ok until something
worse. That's what happened with me. I've got a tear but it's
not that bad. I need regular surgery so the surgeon can go in a
smooth it out. When people have screwed up knees and don't have
surgery, the torn part rubs against the bones and it leads to
arthritis.

I'm going skiing this weekend at Park City, then to Breckenridge in
January. I already went cable water skiing a few times and the
knee was fine, just had to ice it down each night. Still gets sore
and I favor the other leg when walking, but I'm going skiing before
the surgery. Better to have it smoothed out after I go skiing.

Doctor said the recovery time is about 2 weeks.

[VtSkier[_3_]]

nogodforme wrote:
> On Nov 28, 12:51 pm, "Stuart" > wrote:
>> About 50% of Canadians are Vit D defici"Yabahoobs" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Curious how you ol' cats keep the knees in tip-top skiin' shape.
>>> (This threads for you Gonar)
>
> This thread got derailed. Anyway, I went to see 2 orthopedic
> surgeons. My knee has a torn meniscus. Think of your finger nail
> and what happens if you tear it. If the tear is sticking up, then
> the knee locks. If it's flat then everything is ok until something
> worse. That's what happened with me. I've got a tear but it's
> not that bad. I need regular surgery so the surgeon can go in a
> smooth it out.

Tell me more about this 'regular' surgery. I don't see
any surgeon recommending anyone having surgery more
than once for a condition unless the first surgery didn't
go so well. The surgeon should be able to smooth it out
once and for all, or remove the piece which is sticking up,
or rebuild the meniscus from other body parts, but
repeated surgery as a general rule? I'd get yet another
opinion.

> When people have screwed up knees and don't have
> surgery, the torn part rubs against the bones and it leads to
> arthritis.

This should read, "When people have a torn meniscus
and don't have surgery, the torn part rubs against
the bones and leads to arthritis." There are other
ways to screw up a knee. I have no ACL in one knee,
there is no rubbing against bone. There is something
with the other knee and a bit of arthritis seems to
be developing there, but not in "screwed-up" knee.

>
> I'm going skiing this weekend at Park City, then to Breckenridge in
> January. I already went cable water skiing a few times and the
> knee was fine, just had to ice it down each night. Still gets sore
> and I favor the other leg when walking, but I'm going skiing before
> the surgery. Better to have it smoothed out after I go skiing.
>
> Doctor said the recovery time is about 2 weeks.

This must be arthroscopic surgery? If so, 2 weeks is
probably OK.

If there is any way to get your knee pain-free, please
try to have this done. Favoring one leg can lead to
one hip being higher than the other. This then leads
to a curving spine which leads to all types of
problems including chronic pain. If you can't be
pain-free, figure out a way to walk so that you don't
favor one leg over the other.

When the adjacent trauma surrounding the snapping of
my ACL was healing, I couldn't straighten my leg. I
wasn't too pretty walking but I could ski fine. Oh,
BTW, my knees are 67 years old.

[nogodforme]

>
> > Doctor said the recovery time is about 2 weeks.
>
> This must be arthroscopic surgery? If so, 2 weeks is
> probably OK.
>
Yes, that is correct. I had arthroscopic done on both knees 13 years
ago. I'll have it done on my right knee in February after my ski
trips. What the doctor does is drill 3 holes into the knee, and put
a probe in where he can see everything. They smooth out the meniscus
taking about 10%. The meniscus does not grow back, you only have 1
and that's it. So every time someone screws up their knee and goes
in for arthroscopic surgery, approximately 10% of the meniscus is
being removed. That number is not exact, but you get the idea.
They're smoothing it out just like filing down a finger nail, except
the meniscus does not grow.

I'll be fine because I've got everything scheduled. The steps to
get your knee fixed are
Have good insurance
See on orthopedic surgeon and tell him your knee hurts
He'll authorize an MRI
Get the MRI done
Go back to the surgeon, he'll recommend arthroscopic surgery
Nurses will set up a date
Get a physical from your primary doctor 2 weeks before surgery
Go have the surgery

They don't completely knock you out, but you're pretty much gone,
meaning they don't have to incubate, but they do put something in the
throat to keep the tongue from going down the throat. 13 years ago,
I was completely knocked out, now it's different.

[Stuart[_2_]]

50% of all people north of 49th parallel are likely Vit D deficient. I base
this on testing all of our patients in our medical clinic in Edmonton for
Vit D over a period of 10 years. I am a p/t ski instructor, so I am outside
am's in the sunshine when I am not at the clinic, and I was surprised to
learn I was deficient. I believe sincerely that the degenerative changes in
my lower back are related to this. Knee OA can be partially prevented in
skiers by ensuring adequate Vit D intake. Inexpensive liquid drops are best.
Two glasses of milk/day do not cut it even tho' it says so on the label..

Good luck with your meniscusees and happy carving!

Stuart the Stooge has spoken Hijack complete!


"nogodforme" > wrote in message
...
>
>>
>> > Doctor said the recovery time is about 2 weeks.
>>
>> This must be arthroscopic surgery? If so, 2 weeks is
>> probably OK.
>>
> Yes, that is correct. I had arthroscopic done on both knees 13 years
> ago. I'll have it done on my right knee in February after my ski
> trips. What the doctor does is drill 3 holes into the knee, and put
> a probe in where he can see everything. They smooth out the meniscus
> taking about 10%. The meniscus does not grow back, you only have 1
> and that's it. So every time someone screws up their knee and goes
> in for arthroscopic surgery, approximately 10% of the meniscus is
> being removed. That number is not exact, but you get the idea.
> They're smoothing it out just like filing down a finger nail, except
> the meniscus does not grow.
>
> I'll be fine because I've got everything scheduled. The steps to
> get your knee fixed are
> Have good insurance
> See on orthopedic surgeon and tell him your knee hurts
> He'll authorize an MRI
> Get the MRI done
> Go back to the surgeon, he'll recommend arthroscopic surgery
> Nurses will set up a date
> Get a physical from your primary doctor 2 weeks before surgery
> Go have the surgery
>
> They don't completely knock you out, but you're pretty much gone,
> meaning they don't have to incubate, but they do put something in the
> throat to keep the tongue from going down the throat. 13 years ago,
> I was completely knocked out, now it's different.

[nogodforme]

On Dec 5, 1:51 pm, "Stuart" > wrote:
> 50% of all people north of 49th parallel are likely Vit D deficient. I base
> this on testing all of our patients in our medical clinic in Edmonton for
> Vit D over a period of 10 years. I am a p/t ski instructor, so I am outside
> am's in the sunshine when I am not at the clinic, and I was surprised to
> learn I was deficient. I believe sincerely that the degenerative changes in
> my lower back are related to this. Knee OA can be partially prevented in
> skiers by ensuring adequate Vit D intake. Inexpensive liquid drops are best.
> Two glasses of milk/day do not cut it even tho' it says so on the label..
>
> Good luck with your meniscusees and happy carving!
>

Knee survived.
Park City Resort was amazing. Now I know why they call it the best
snow on earth.
Went snowboarding for 3 hours, both knee caps were sore. Switched to
skis. Quads were sore the rest of the day. Only skied a couple
hours. Came back the next day, and skied 3 more hours.
"Home Run" trail is really nice. Yes, it's green, but 3.5 miles
long. Parts of it are more like a blue square.

Came home, saw the knee doctor. They said the sore knee caps happen
when snowboarding. They said everything is fine, I'm not going to
damage it by skiing, but the surgery is still needed to smooth out the
tear.

So I'm going to Breckenridge January 17-20, then having surgery when I
get back.

Ice down your knee caps each night. Bring zips lock bags, fill them
with ice, and put them on your knees.