Damn...$eason Pa$$e$

[Yabahoobs]

Mucho Dinero.

I'll have to ski for 12 days to make it worth it...Actually when I
think of it like that...Not bad at all.

[Yabahoobs]

Kurt Knisely wrote:
> "Yabahoobs" > wrote in news:1152818651.971885.284780
> @s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Mucho Dinero.
> >
> > I'll have to ski for 12 days to make it worth it...Actually when I
> > think of it like that...Not bad at all.
>
> At Pow Mou?
>
>
> What about Bambi Ba$in (closest lift-served to me):
>
> http://www.deerlocals.com/locals-coupon-books.jsp

I was thinkin $nowbird. But maybe Brighton is a better choice... 700
bucks WITH the student discount !...Booooooooooo...

I've never checked Pou Mou ... Any good ? Open border policy ?

[Kurt Knisely]

"Yabahoobs" > wrote in
oups.com:

> I was thinkin $nowbird.

Well, the 'bird is in a league all its own and to each their own. If you
need the gondola, you're not going to find anything else like that around.
Weekdays would be the only time to go AFAIC. You a snowboarder? Alta is
for skiers :-).


> But maybe Brighton is a better choice...

You a snowborder? If not, there's a little place next door that has better
skiing.


> I've never checked Pou Mou ... Any good ? Open border policy ?

If you're living up North, I understand that's the place. I believe so
from what I've read. Almost half the price of the 'bird. I'd also check
out Beaver Mtn. if you're going to USU.

http://www.skithebeav.com/prices.htm
http://www.powdermountain.com/

-K

[Yabahoobs]

Kurt Knisely wrote:
> "Yabahoobs" > wrote in
> oups.com:
>
> > I was thinkin $nowbird.
>
> Well, the 'bird is in a league all its own and to each their own. If you
> need the gondola, you're not going to find anything else like that around.
> Weekdays would be the only time to go AFAIC. You a snowboarder? Alta is
> for skiers :-).
>
>
> > But maybe Brighton is a better choice...
>
> You a snowborder? If not, there's a little place next door that has better
> skiing.
>
>
> > I've never checked Pou Mou ... Any good ? Open border policy ?
>
> If you're living up North, I understand that's the place. I believe so
> from what I've read. Almost half the price of the 'bird. I'd also check
> out Beaver Mtn. if you're going to USU.

Yeah ya gotta love the Beav, but honestly if you're gonna drive up
there, you may as well just hit up some backcountry stuff (OF WHICH
I"LL BE DOING ALOT OF), The Beav is limited and packed with USU's most
annoying knuckledraggers...

Alta IS great (only rarely do I bust out the board, it's almost always
the skis), but it's absolutely jammed all the time, and simply doesn't
have the capacity to handle the huge crowds Little Cottonwood attracts
nowadays...Not that Snowbird is MUCH better, but the Tram helps...

And while Solitude is great, nothing beats the vertical at Alta /
Snowbird...It's just incrediblle...You could can ski there for a whole
season and keep finding new little spots through gates, under chairs,
between marked trails...There's a lot to explore there.

[Yabahoobs]

Kurt Knisely wrote:

> Hence why I only ski LCC in the early and late seasons. Not worth even
> heading over there mid-season, and of course there's the dreaded
> "Interlodge", waiting at the bottom of the canyon and 'lanches sliding
> across the road. I could go on...buttheads triggering slides above their
> party and us under Rocky Point by Catherine's and the feeding frenzy that
> occurs each morning. It's a freakin' zoo, but like I said, to each their
> own. I ski powder, not tracked up mank.
>
> As with the 'tude. All kinds of little nooks and crannies, not to
> mention various open gates. (you might as well just skin up White Pine
> next to the 'bird since they rarely have any open BC gates).

LoL...I have a feeling Im not gonna like what I see in LCC this winter.
I've heard too many nightmare stories of clueless masses ruining others
experience. I certainly appreciate untracked powder, but it's more the
peace and quiet I seek out on a skin trip. If even the drive through /
up LCC is that bad, maybe Solitude will be more my style...

[Yabahoobs]

Kurt Knisely wrote:

....Tony Grove...

any experience with Tony Grove ??...I am loving what I see up there
right now.

Tony Grove, Naomi Peak (very close) and the Gog Peaks are looking nice.

By the way those photos were hilarious !!...Can't argue with visual
proof. How bout all the countless canyons between here and there...I
know a dude who gets paid mucho dinero to offer consulting services on
feasability of ski resort and lift development around here (Bayut Von
Allmen)...He says there's all sorts of stuff the skin skier can
appreciate around Ogden Canyon and near spots...

[klaus]

Kurt Knisely > wrote:
> "Yabahoobs" > wrote in news:1152818651.971885.284780
> @s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Mucho Dinero.
>>
>> I'll have to ski for 12 days to make it worth it...Actually when I
>> think of it like that...Not bad at all.
>
> At Pow Mou?
>
>
> What about Bambi Ba$in (closest lift-served to me):
>
> http://www.deerlocals.com/locals-coupon-books.jsp
>
> I had some coupons a number of years ago, but haven't re-uped recently. At
> least they roll over year-to-year. No BC gate either (unless you pay for
> the Interconnect).
>


BC gate? Yesterday I saw dump trucks driving up the ridge to Daly
Chutes. Deer Valley doesn't have BC access, they have residential
access. Nice touch.

-klaus

[Jeff Davis]

In article >,
klaus > wrote:
>
>BC gate? Yesterday I saw dump trucks driving up the ridge to Daly
>Chutes. Deer Valley doesn't have BC access, they have residential
>access. Nice touch.

A buddy of mine is the inspector on the St. Regis. We stopped in
yesterday on our way home from Moab. I don't think I'd want to ski
scrub oak stands with out hosed snow up there. It looks like the
world's biggest bunny slope to me. Just to **** off the guys who
don't know anybody, my buddy works for PSI and his name is John Lines.
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."

[Jeff Davis]

In article >,
Kurt Knisely > wrote:
>
>Are they filling them in? Pretty soon PC will have that 10420 lift (or is
>it Deer Valet?) and bed base in PC/Bambi Basin can ski at Brighton. One
>more jump and they're at Altabird.

You can ski all of those in a day without much skinning, but you need a
guide to use all the different lifts, eh?
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."

[klaus]

Jeff Davis > wrote:
> In article >,
> Kurt Knisely > wrote:
>>
>>Are they filling them in? Pretty soon PC will have that 10420 lift (or is
>>it Deer Valet?) and bed base in PC/Bambi Basin can ski at Brighton. One
>>more jump and they're at Altabird.
>
> You can ski all of those in a day without much skinning, but you need a
> guide to use all the different lifts, eh?

No. Just an American Express.

-klaus

[Jeff Davis]

In article >,
Kurt Knisely > wrote:
>klaus > wrote in
:
>> Jeff Davis > wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>>
>>> You can ski all of those in a day without much skinning, but you need
>>> a guide to use all the different lifts, eh?
>>
>> No. Just an American Express.
>
>Yup, only $175 and you get a free lunch. No knuckledraggers allowed.

So they sell one day pass for all the lifts. That's a ski day, eh?
It's a good time to hike it all to get familiar with the terrain. I'm
heading back up to the Hole this afternoon. Maybe I ought to drive up
that way instead of taking Parley's. Looks like I can pop out around
Heber. We had a blast in the La Sal's Sunday. We found roads back to
Moab from the top of the pass on the west side neither of us had taken
before.
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."

[Kurt Knisely]

(Jeff Davis) wrote in
:

> In article >,
> Kurt Knisely > wrote:
>
>>Yup, only $175 and you get a free lunch. No knuckledraggers allowed.
>
> So they sell one day pass for all the lifts. That's a ski day, eh?

No, ya gotta go through the Oootah Interconnect. Probably only one
concessionaire, but I'm not sure who has the contract?

> It's a good time to hike it all to get familiar with the terrain. I'm
> heading back up to the Hole this afternoon. Maybe I ought to drive up
> that way instead of taking Parley's. Looks like I can pop out around
> Heber.

That's the way I'd go. Better views and all.


> We had a blast in the La Sal's Sunday. We found roads back to
> Moab from the top of the pass on the west side neither of us had taken
> before.

A very special place.

-K

[klaus]

Jeff Davis > wrote:
>
> So they sell one day pass for all the lifts.

No. You'd need to combine single rides and half day passes. Or use the
interconnect with a guide. But I'm still unclear as to why anyone
would want to do either.

If you are planning on going over Guardsmans to avoid Parleys, you
should swing by the Yodeling Buddhist Bed and Breakfast, Brewery,
Brothel, and Bakery. It's on your way. Back channel me. I have beer on
ice.

-klaus

[Kurt Knisely]

klaus > wrote in news:e9lt5i$1f0$1
@xmission.xmission.com:

> should swing by the Yodeling Buddhist Bed and Breakfast, Brewery,
> Brothel, and Bakery. It's on your way. Back channel me. I have beer on
> ice.

Hmm, brothel? Cheerleaders?

-K

[Walt]

Kurt Knisely wrote:
> klaus > wrote >
>
>>should swing by the Yodeling Buddhist Bed and Breakfast, Brewery,
>>Brothel, and Bakery. It's on your way. Back channel me. I have beer on
>>ice.
>
> Hmm, brothel? Cheerleaders?

You just gotta use your imagination. At least the Moose is real. I can
vouch for that.

And I hear Bob Lee may be coming by in the fall to stack some Elk.

//Walt

[Kurt Knisely]

Walt > wrote in
:


> You just gotta use your imagination. At least the Moose is real. I can
> vouch for that.

Yea, if there aren't pictures, then it didn't happen.


> And I hear Bob Lee may be coming by in the fall to stack some Elk.

He needs to bring up a truckload of piñon as well. Beetles or no beetles.

-K

[klaus]

Kurt Knisely > wrote:
> Walt > wrote in
> :
>
>
>> You just gotta use your imagination. At least the Moose is real. I can
>> vouch for that.
>
> Yea, if there aren't pictures, then it didn't happen.

Then 99.9% of my life didn't happen. But the moose did:

http://www.xmission.com/~klaus/Moose.jpg
http://www.xmission.com/~klaus/MooseInTheDrive.jpg

And the cheerleaders did happen. All 16 of them. In uniform. More rare
than the moose, by far. But I wasn't about to waste my time to get the
camera. I had enough to do scraping my jaw off the deck.

> He needs to bring up a truckload of pi?on as well. Beetles or no beetles.

I have enough deadwood without anyone bringing it in. Use the space
for beer or scotch.

-klaus

[Kurt Knisely]

klaus > wrote in
:

> Kurt Knisely > wrote:
>>
>> Yea, if there aren't pictures, then it didn't happen.
>
> Then 99.9% of my life didn't happen. But the moose did:

I've seen the momma and baby runnin' 'round the cabin...but NO
cheerleaders.


>> He needs to bring up a truckload of pinon as well. Beetles or no
>> beetles.
>
> I have enough deadwood without anyone bringing it in. Use the space
> for beer or scotch.

BFS. I'll pay. Pinon is $300/cord around here (I don't think bob has a
REAL truck though)...

-K

[klaus]

Kurt Knisely > wrote:
>> I have enough deadwood without anyone bringing it in. Use the space
>> for beer or scotch.
>
> BFS. I'll pay. Pinon is $300/cord around here (I don't think bob has a
> REAL truck though)...

Hmmm... $300/cord? You need to grease the skids some. That's
ludicrous. I have a guy deliver it to my door from Duchesne for under
$200. And a six of beer. Split but no stack. Yah Duchesne. And he had
to chain up to get here. You're paying PC/DV prices. Who is it... B&D?
Bendover and Dilate? I got three cords for just about $600. This year
I spent $450 on a chainsaw. I'm having to turn down offers of free
wood. I have too much. Between Utah Power and the new road going in,
I just don't have the time or energy to cut it all.

For three hundred a cord, I'll call him and have him drop it off. And
end up with a nice bottle of scotch/cord. Lemme know.

-klaus

[Kurt Knisely]

klaus > wrote in
:

> Kurt Knisely > wrote:
>>> I have enough deadwood without anyone bringing it in. Use the space
>>> for beer or scotch.
>>
>> BFS. I'll pay. Pinon is $300/cord around here (I don't think bob
>> has a REAL truck though)...
>
> Hmmm... $300/cord? You need to grease the skids some. That's
> ludicrous. I have a guy deliver it to my door from Duchesne for under
> $200. And a six of beer. Split but no stack. Yah Duchesne. And he had
> to chain up to get here. You're paying PC/DV prices. Who is it... B&D?
> Bendover and Dilate? I got three cords for just about $600.

Rob's in Heber. Nice rounds (I don't need it split) for $150 a half.
The rounds burn forever.


> This year
> I spent $450 on a chainsaw. I'm having to turn down offers of free
> wood. I have too much. Between Utah Power and the new road going in,
> I just don't have the time or energy to cut it all.

Pine is cheap, free to $40/cord for slabs. Reminds me, the flue needs to
be cleaned.


>
> For three hundred a cord, I'll call him and have him drop it off. And
> end up with a nice bottle of scotch/cord. Lemme know.

Well, I was hoping he could do it for less, but I'll pay close to that.
With gas prices these days and it doesn't grow right around here, it's
pricey. Cedar/juniper even better.


-K

[klaus]

Kurt Knisely > wrote:
> Rob's in Heber. Nice rounds (I don't need it split) for $150 a half.
> The rounds burn forever.

Sounds pricey.

> Pine is cheap, free to $40/cord for slabs. Reminds me, the flue needs to
> be cleaned.

If you're burning unsplit you should check/clean it each year. Unsplit
will screw up your chimney way quickly.

But pine? Where are you getting pine? No pine in the Wasatch. You
getting lodgepole from the Uintas? And you get it free to 40/cord? You
got a contact? I'll take that and sell it for triple to 4X. Sounds
like a good business.

>> For three hundred a cord, I'll call him and have him drop it off. And
>> end up with a nice bottle of scotch/cord. Lemme know.
>
> Well, I was hoping he could do it for less, but I'll pay close to that.
> With gas prices these days and it doesn't grow right around here, it's
> pricey. Cedar/juniper even better.

I got two cords pinion, one cord mixed cedar/pinion for $600. <shrug>
You know pinion grows like a damn weed out in the Uinta Basin, right?

-klaus

[Kurt Knisely]

klaus > wrote in
:

> Kurt Knisely > wrote:
>> Rob's in Heber. Nice rounds (I don't need it split) for $150 a half.
>> The rounds burn forever.
>
> Sounds pricey.

Tell me if you can find it for less. I've looked everywhere, more
expensive in SLC. I can go get it myself, but wear-n-tear on the
vehicles, gas, chains, oil, permits. Rob probably is getting over on me
though, since I told him I write software from home...


>> Pine is cheap, free to $40/cord for slabs. Reminds me, the flue
>> needs to be cleaned.
>
> If you're burning unsplit you should check/clean it each year. Unsplit
> will screw up your chimney way quickly.
>
> But pine? Where are you getting pine? No pine in the Wasatch. You
> getting lodgepole from the Uintas? And you get it free to 40/cord? You
> got a contact? I'll take that and sell it for triple to 4X. Sounds
> like a good business.

It's a combination of like 3 pines: White, lodgepole and something else.
Remember, they're slabs (leftover bundles...you need a trailer like mine
http://whatadealtrailers.com/).

Sargent Timber (435) 783-5595
4467 N New Lane
Oakley, UT 84055

I've also gotten it at the Sawmill in Kamas and there's one next to
Francis on the way to Hailstone.


> I got two cords pinion, one cord mixed cedar/pinion for $600. <shrug>
> You know pinion grows like a damn weed out in the Uinta Basin, right?

That's still not cheap. Still takes time to go get it...

-K

[klaus]

Kurt Knisely > wrote:
> Tell me if you can find it for less. I've looked everywhere, more
> expensive in SLC. I can go get it myself, but wear-n-tear on the
> vehicles, gas, chains, oil, permits. Rob probably is getting over on me
> though, since I told him I write software from home...

Like I said, delivered, $200/cord.

>
> It's a combination of like 3 pines: White, lodgepole and something else.
> Remember, they're slabs (leftover bundles...you need a trailer like mine
> http://whatadealtrailers.com/).

Where are you finding white pine? Probably Doug Fir or spruce? And
40/cord or free? Really?

> Sargent Timber (435) 783-5595
> 4467 N New Lane
> Oakley, UT 84055
>
> I've also gotten it at the Sawmill in Kamas and there's one next to
> Francis on the way to Hailstone.

Other than reselling, I have plenty.
..
>
>
>> I got two cords pinion, one cord mixed cedar/pinion for $600. <shrug>
>> You know pinion grows like a damn weed out in the Uinta Basin, right?
>
> That's still not cheap. Still takes time to go get it...
>

No.. that was delivered to my door.

-klaus

[Kurt Knisely]

klaus > wrote in
:

>
> Like I said, delivered, $200/cord.

Well, send me the POC.

>
> Where are you finding white pine? Probably Doug Fir or spruce? And
> 40/cord or free? Really?

The guy at Sargents said it was white pine. They log all kinds of stuff up
here.

-K

[klaus]

Kurt Knisely > wrote:
> klaus > wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> Like I said, delivered, $200/cord.
>
> Well, send me the POC.
>

Will backchannel.

>>
>> Where are you finding white pine? Probably Doug Fir or spruce? And
>> 40/cord or free? Really?
>
> The guy at Sargents said it was white pine. They log all kinds of stuff up
> here.

The Uintas are totally different tree/flower wise. It was kinda cool
to see all the different stuff. The wildflowers were very
different. Talked to your neighbor at the Samak Mall, picked up some
jerky and talked with him a bit. I guess no more fishing licenses
there. The software won't run on a Mac. Heh.

-klaus

[Jeff Davis]

In article >,
Bob Lee > wrote:
>klaus wrote:
>> But pine? Where are you getting pine? No pine in the Wasatch.
>
>Heh. That's my boy.

Are you being competitive again? >;)
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."

[Jeff Davis]

In article >,
Bob Lee > wrote:
>
>I don't think so, but I'm not sure I follow you. Competitive in what
>way, Jeff?

Oh, I think you just naturally have to compete. I think that's where you're
coming from in all this. That's fine. Be competitive.
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."

[Richard Henry]

Bob Lee wrote:
> Jeff Davis wrote:
>
> > Bob Lee wrote:
> > >klaus wrote:
> > >> But pine? Where are you getting pine? No pine in the Wasatch.
> > >
> > >Heh. That's my boy.
> >
> > Are you being competitive again? >;)
>
> I don't think so, but I'm not sure I follow you. Competitive in what
> way, Jeff?
>
> If you are, in fact, Jeff - where was your signature ObNameDrop?

Well, he did drop JP Barlow, as always.

BTW, here is a link an old JPB piece that echoes nicely with our
current condition.

www.eff.org/Misc/Publications/John_Perry_Barlow/HTML/decrypting_puzzle_palace.html

[Kurt Knisely]

Bob Lee > wrote in news:rlee-073C97.11324220072006
@iruka.swcp.com:

> Kurt Knisely wrote:
>
>> ... Pinon is $300/cord around here (I don't think bob has a
>> REAL truck though)...
>
> Wow! At $300/cord I should buy a *real* truck - that'll pay for it in
> no time.

Well, how you gonna git yer elk home? Get it all packaged up here? I'd
think NW & SW CO would be better for elk?

>
> Gas, though...

That's why I wonder if the $200/cord delivered is still available?

Ok, ok, I burn pine, spruce and fir. I'm sure there is some Yellow Pine
(Ponderosa) growing somewhere in the Wasatch.

-K

[Jeff Davis]

In article om>,
Richard Henry > wrote:
>
>BTW, here is a link an old JPB piece that echoes nicely with our
>current condition.

You should try to dig up the _Psychological_Warfare_Primer_for_Online_
_Activism_. I wrote that. Albeit, I think I did a better job in some
of the run and gun Cypherpunks discussions.
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."

[Jeff Davis]

In article >,
Kurt Knisely > wrote:
>
>Ok, ok, I burn pine, spruce and fir. I'm sure there is some Yellow Pine
>(Ponderosa) growing somewhere in the Wasatch.

I flew down to Florida last year to fix the hurricane damage on my brother's
house. The lumber yard was full of yellow pine. That's all they had for
untreated boards. On a side note, I always got a kick out of the wild eyed
speed freak with a chain saw theory of clearing dead fall. >;)
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."

[TexasSkiNut]

Jeff Davis wrote:
> In article om>,
> Richard Henry > wrote:
> >
> >BTW, here is a link an old JPB piece that echoes nicely with our
> >current condition.
>
> You should try to dig up the _Psychological_Warfare_Primer_for_Online_
> _Activism_. I wrote that. Albeit, I think I did a better job in some
> of the run and gun Cypherpunks discussions.
All I found via Google was an obsolete link
(http://www.nyx.net/~eagle/psywar.shtml) and the Internet Archive
(http://web.archive.org/)didn't have anything useful for it either.
Maybe it was so good that the national security folks deleted it.

[Yabahoobs]

Bob Lee wrote:
> Jeff Davis wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> That's it? Nothing for me? You're not going to answer my question or
> explain yourself? I guess I'm surprised that you didn't even try.
>
> Look Jeff, if you can't back up your simple(-minded) assertion maybe
> usenet isn't the place for you?
>
> FWIW, the post you jumped on referred to a back-channel discussion klaus
> and I had concerning the proper names for conifers - pine v. spruce (and
> firs et al) - and how most of the people I've skied with in the Wasatch
> refer to spruce as 'pines'. I got all dendrological on his ass, but
> klaus took the time to learn the difference...and give me a little
> Wasatch history lore.
>
> Make what you will of that.

"Dendrological on his ass" lol...I love this thread.

[klaus]

Bob Lee > wrote:
>
> FWIW, the post you jumped on referred to a back-channel discussion klaus
> and I had concerning the proper names for conifers - pine v. spruce (and
> firs et al) - and how most of the people I've skied with in the Wasatch
> refer to spruce as 'pines'. I got all dendrological on his ass, but
> klaus took the time to learn the difference...and give me a little
> Wasatch history lore.
>

yah lernt me reel good. ;>

-klaus

[Jeff Davis]

In article >,
klaus > wrote:
>
>yah lernt me reel good. ;>

That's just how those toothless speed freaks with chain saws talk...damn!
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."